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EU to ban anonymous crypto accounts and privacy coins by 2027

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The EU's legislation has been decidedly mixed, and not an unalloyed good. Makes me wish there was a functional mechanism by which different jurisdictions could have an overall collaborative framework and experiment with different approaches without eventually deciding to force others to comply. I had some hope of the EU being that, but both the US and the EU have trended towards homogenization. I wonder if, in a hund…

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Oh like Chat Control? Don't be mistaken, most countries in the EU ultimately do not respect your privacy and wish to have access to your private correspondence, in addition to preventing you from carrying out private digital transactions, just as we have been doing with physical money for thousands of years.

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The EU's legislation has been decidedly mixed, and not an unalloyed good. Makes me wish there was a functional mechanism by which different jurisdictions could have an overall collaborative framework and experiment with different approaches without eventually deciding to force others to comply. I had some hope of the EU being that, but both the US and the EU have trended towards homogenization. I wonder if, in a hund…

Do you have any example of when these powers were abused? Where I am, we have seen massive money laundering scandals, and I have yet to hear of anyone abusing it. My read is that the abuse currently comes from not applying it enough to stuff you want to make money from, not over applying it to things you disagree with.

It's a component of pervasive surveillance.

But, as one of many examples, consider the many stories of someone going around with a larger than commonly carried amount of cash, such as the deposits of a business that accepts cash or the savings of someone who is underbanked, and is presumed to be up to something and that pretense is used to seize the cash with no recourse or reasonable legal proceeding or likely hope of timely recovery.

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Monero in particular absolutely terrifies governments and financial institutions - you can tell because it's been banned and delisted practically everywhere. This gives me great confidence in it. Not as a speculative asset, but as a means of having truly private transactions.

In a way Monero is more a cryptocurrency than Bitcoin.

A fast, cheap, global, and private currency; in contrast to the speculative asset that is Bitcoin.

Re: EU to ban anonymous crypto accounts and privacy coins by 2027

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> Under the new Anti-Money Laundering Regulation (AMLR), credit institutions, financial institutions and crypto asset service providers (CASPs) will be prohibited from maintaining anonymous accounts or handling privacy-preserving cryptocurrencies, such as Monero

This isn't really an issue, AML exists for a reason, having had experience in countries where corruption was extremely bad, AML combined with solid privacy obligations of data from the exchanger is a net positive thing.

People can complain about "I want fully private transactions" - Okay then use cash.

Otherwise force your exchange provider to keep your data secure.

Re: EU to ban anonymous crypto accounts and privacy coins by 2027

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I'm a foreigner living in the EU for many years, here's my 2 cents.

For over a year, I was locked out of financial services due to my inability to pass KYC. The reason was that I had already left one country, but was still in the process of getting a residency visa in another. During the process, I'm allowed to live in this country, but I have no ability to prove it to any financial institutions.

So, no wonder I'm bitter about KYC and AML.

Regarding privacy, I appreciate the EU's effort, but I also feel they focus too much on the legal side and not enough on the implementation side of it.

My ID was photocopied at almost every accommodation I visited in the last decade. I have no way to make private digital payments, and even offline cash is not being promoted.

At least once, my private financial record was accessed by a 3rd party that used it against me. But I'm not the kind of person who would go into a legal battle. I'm the kind of person who uses technology to protect his privacy. And the EU, with decisions like this, makes it very difficult for me.

I doubt banning Monero or Zcash would prevent criminals from tax evasion. They'll find other ways. So, as often happens, "Locks keep honest people honest".

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In the sense "important privacy laws" does not imply pro-privacy?

No, it means that privacy on cryptocurrency is the major driver of corruptions and tax fraud, and it's important to remove any privacy around these topics.

Want to stay private, there always FIAT currency, which protects your privacy (until you reach certain amounts of transactions).

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The fact that Bitcoin itself has never been banned strongly suggests that it was government approved from the beginning or even developed at the NSA. The tracking is a feature, and many governments want a CBDC. What does the CIA think? The CIA thinks Bitcoin is great: https://cointelegraph.com/magazine/bitcoin-price-million-cia...

Have you read the article ? The currencies are not being BANNED, simply anonymous accounts are, this is standard practice in financial institutions where you're required to Know Your Customer (KYC) and provide Anti Money Laundering (AML) provisions.

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I wonder what the impact will be on ransomware attacks. It'll probably make it harder for people who aren't in "bullet-proof" countries (i.e. without good cooperation with to receive ransom payment, which sounds like a good thing. It could also cause some decidedly negative effects during the transition, when companies that really want to pay a ransom (because they cannot recover otherwise) are unable to.

As of now paying for a ransomware in btc is still quite hard, at least in europe.

A person i know works in an art/craft company - so not tech - and the boss faced a hard time to pay 40k€ in btc for a ransomware a few months ago, since many of the transfers were blocked and had to pass through a middle man. the backup they had was last done months earlier, i don't know if its their fault or their security company's fault but i guess in the future they'll gladly pay more for working backups

Re: EU to ban anonymous crypto accounts and privacy coins by 2027

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These are the real Cypherpunk coins. Specially Monero. The premise behind Cryptocurrencies, (before crypto-bros joined), were all about distributed control, privacy, and censorship avoidance.

If there's a single company or "foundation" that is in charge of development decisions, then it's not a distributed currency. That's no different from Paypal.

If a random country (that you don't even live in) can block your wallet-address/transactions then what you have is not a cryptocurrency worthy of its name (they can force miners and exchanges to not accept any funds that can easily be traced to your wallet address). Just use Venmo or Paypal at that point they have lower fees and faster transactions.

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