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assault is harmful or offensive contact. The assault happened with the first inappropriate touch.
Devil's advocate: Prove a grope occurred. It's a light, soft-tissue touch. A slap is a violent strike with an open palm, and a punch is a violent strike with a closed fist.
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> Please cite your statistics. Rape culture seeks to describe why rape occurs and is promoted within a society. As per usual, Wikipedia has the overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture . EDIT: Another good resource I use for this same convo that happen inevitably someone mentions sexism in a male space like Hacker News: http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html > This is a hacker convention.…
Are you just looking to pick a fight? I don't disagree with the parent post's point. I disagree with the way they are arguing it. I can fully, 1000% get behind the statement that "Rape-culture and patriarchy are definitely major society-wide issues" , but if they want to make the casual accusation that "they undeniably find a special welcoming home within geek culture" , I'm going to fucking call you on it unless you…
No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.
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Instead of the red card if someone touches you inappropriately why not slap them in the face - hard.
yeah, hardly a good approach in a world of lawyers and lets face it, there will be alot of geeks there who would gladly like to be red carded and I suspect somebody will make up some teashirts saying "red carding welcome". Still I'm sure some people will abuse this system like any system and lets face it the audience will not exactly be angels in not abusing any form of system. Lets face it, in Football it's not exac…
Was that a quote, because sexual harassment is not against the law--it's a civil matter that only applies in certain very specific situations.
Sure there are other laws you could break in the process of sexually harassing someone, but "sexual harassment" is not something you can be charged with.
idiots. Most of the fucks who pull this shit are no-value skiddies.
Like Richard Stallman? He's pretty well known to be incredibly awkward around women. He's a total skiddie, though, so what you're saying makes sense.
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When 1 in N women get drafted and killed during a war, I will start giving one iota of care about poor poor dis-empowered women.
Your comment should get downvoted to oblivion for its sheer lack of originality, panache, and basic human empathy, but let me humor you with a response: When 1 in N women can serve in the military without being raped by their fellow servicemen, then we can talk. And then can we have the conversation wherein you attempt to defend your apparent belief that people dying in service of their country is superior to people…
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Your comment should get downvoted to oblivion for its sheer lack of originality, panache, and basic human empathy, but let me humor you with a response: When 1 in N women can serve in the military without being raped by their fellow servicemen, then we can talk. And then can we have the conversation wherein you attempt to defend your apparent belief that people dying in service of their country is superior to people…
The fact that you consider involuntary sexual intercourse as worse fate than death speaks volume of your lame political correctness.
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"From a feminist perspective, it's not very empowering to a woman to have to resort to props and other crazy schemes to get unscrupulous men to fuck off. Men don't have to do it, why should women." Like Hollaback, this is a very imperfect, but apparently effective solution. I appreciate your appeals to straw Feminism, but "women should react the same as men to every situation to 'prove' they are strong" is not it, it…
It's not that they "should react the same", it's that - ideally - they shouldn't have to act differently to be treated equally. I'll concede that imperfect but effective solutions are probably necessary to help foster this sort of equality in the long run, though, and the more people who step up and take responsibility for pushing the change (regardless of gender), the better.
Totally. Putting your hands over your ears and eyes isn't going to get us to that point.
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Compared to being a woman, it is not difficult to be a guy. I don't know about you, but I'm not trying to make any such comparison. Nor do I find it to be relevant. This isn't about "is it harder to be a guy or a girl," it's about the fact that it's tough to be a guy OR a girl. IOW, women aren't the only ones who have challenges when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. And I don't believe it makes sense to loo…
No dude, it’s fucking easy being a guy, twice so if you’re white, three times so if you’re straight. In fact, that’s so true it has come to be known as The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-th... You cannot argue that “it’s tough being a guy” and then say you weren’t comparing it to being a woman. What the hell else were you comparing it to, being a Tyrannos…
Actually, I just did.
What the hell else were you comparing it to, being a Tyrannosaurus?
I wasn't comparing it to anything.
However tough you may think your position in life is, chances are pretty high you’re living it on The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is.
Great, that's not something I can control, now is it? Of course I have empathy for people on all the other difficulty levels, and want to help make things better for them. But I still have my own problems regardless of how easy anyone else thinks my life is.
Of course, none of this is really relevant to the conversation that started all this, and I'll probably regret replying to this comment later.
Again, to reiterate what I said before... what we need is more shared understanding, that goes both ways, and less antagonism.
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Are you just looking to pick a fight? I don't disagree with the parent post's point. I disagree with the way they are arguing it. I can fully, 1000% get behind the statement that "Rape-culture and patriarchy are definitely major society-wide issues" , but if they want to make the casual accusation that "they undeniably find a special welcoming home within geek culture" , I'm going to fucking call you on it unless you…
An attack on culture is not an attack on community. You're part of the community by default, but you can be better than the failings of its culture. No one is baiting anyone here except the people who feel the need to poke holes in a call for decency.
Am I supposed to sit back and just let ends I happen to agree with justify means that I don't? Why?
I've flirted at one of the evening events after the talks - after hanging around the person for several hours and spending some time one-on-one. And I had no intention of doing so when I first met them. No way would I do that under any other circumstances.
If you're interested in someone you meet at a conference, you need to be extremely cautious and not expect that the other person shares your interest. Probably it is best to offer personal contact information in addition to professional and see what comes of it rather than pursuing the matter at the conference itself. Let them decide how to contact you.
Hitting on someone at a party or bar during the conference might be in bad taste but as long as the pursuer takes no for an answer it's not what I would call sexual harassment. However if it happened repeatedly from multiple people I would get fed up and leave.
Hitting on someone at the conference proper when the focus should be technical is insulting and completely inappropriate. +1 on calling the pursuer a pervert.
And the conference organizers and presenters need to be held to a higher standard. They should not encourage or engage in sexual behavior even if it's a social event.
Intentional, uninvited physical contact is right out and should not be tolerated under any circumstances. The instigator should be kicked out no matter what.