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Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by afavour »

Swizec wrote: post #79
afavour wrote: post #75

ChatGPT English is set to be the a ubiquitous, remarkably inefficient data transmission format that sits on top of email. I wish to communicate four points of information to you. I’ll ask ChatGPT to fluff those up into multiple paragraphs of text for me to email. You will receive that email, recognize its length and immediately copy and paste it into ChatGPT, asking it to summarize the points provided. Somewhere off…

Just send the damn bullet points! Everyone will thank you

Well of course. But well thought out and well written communication (which admittedly is rare) is an opportunity to actually think through what you’re telling people. How does point A relate to point B? As you read through what you’ve written do you realize there should be a point A.1 to bridge a gap?

It’s like math homework, you always had to show your working not just give the answer. AI gives us an answer without the journey of arriving at one, which removes the purpose of doing it in the first place.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by jakelazaroff »

teekert wrote: post #99
afavour wrote: post #75

ChatGPT English is set to be the a ubiquitous, remarkably inefficient data transmission format that sits on top of email. I wish to communicate four points of information to you. I’ll ask ChatGPT to fluff those up into multiple paragraphs of text for me to email. You will receive that email, recognize its length and immediately copy and paste it into ChatGPT, asking it to summarize the points provided. Somewhere off…

Except I have never met anyone that likes fluffed up emails, nor considers them better in any way than your 4 points. Take that from a long-email writer (people beg me for a few bullets, somehow I always feel that it does not accurately convey my message, I am aware that this is a shortcoming) ;)

Me either. Which makes it extra perplexing that the developers of email clients seem absolutely convinced that people do who like them abound!

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

As someone who is an immigrant that had to go to high school in English speaking country and who struggled a lot and couldn’t do anything about improving essay writing no matter what I did, I say all these English teachers deserve this. I wish ChatGPT existed during my school years, I would’ve at least had someone(thing) explain me how to write better.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by jddj »

ineptech wrote: post #86

Relatedly, there was a major controversy at work recently over the propriety of adding something like this to a lengthy email discussion: > Since this is a long thread and we're including a wider audience, I thought I'd add Copilot's summary... Someone called them out for it, several others defended it. It was brought up in one team's retro and the opinions were divided and very contentious, ranging from, "the summar…

I checked your website after this and wasn't disappointed. Funny stuff.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by coliveira »

ineptech wrote: post #86

Relatedly, there was a major controversy at work recently over the propriety of adding something like this to a lengthy email discussion: > Since this is a long thread and we're including a wider audience, I thought I'd add Copilot's summary... Someone called them out for it, several others defended it. It was brought up in one team's retro and the opinions were divided and very contentious, ranging from, "the summar…

It is an admission of incompetence. If you need a summary, why don't you add it yourself? Moreover, any person nowadays can easily create a chatGPT summary if necessary. It is just like adding a page of google search results to your writing.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by robertlagrant »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #36
robertlagrant wrote: post #18

Time to go back to writing essays in exams, live, on paper.

It's challenging. Assignments (and particularly programming assignments) were by far the larger and more difficult part of my CS degree, and also the place where I learned the most. I cannot imagine losing that portion of my education and just replacing it with a few exams.

I wonder if you could invent a teaching language so the LLM wouldn't know about it. A little drastic, but still.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by triyambakam »

crooked-v wrote: post #91
ineptech wrote: post #86

Relatedly, there was a major controversy at work recently over the propriety of adding something like this to a lengthy email discussion: > Since this is a long thread and we're including a wider audience, I thought I'd add Copilot's summary... Someone called them out for it, several others defended it. It was brought up in one team's retro and the opinions were divided and very contentious, ranging from, "the summar…

I think the attribution itself is a certain form of cowardice. If one is actually confident that a summary is correct they'd incorporate it directly. Leaving in the "Copilot says" is an implicit attempt to weasel out of taking responsibility for it.

I see it more as a form of honesty, though maybe also laziness if they weren't willing to edit the summary, or write it themselves.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by prymitive »

ineptech wrote: post #86

Relatedly, there was a major controversy at work recently over the propriety of adding something like this to a lengthy email discussion: > Since this is a long thread and we're including a wider audience, I thought I'd add Copilot's summary... Someone called them out for it, several others defended it. It was brought up in one team's retro and the opinions were divided and very contentious, ranging from, "the summar…

I often find Copilot summaries to be more or less an attempt at mainsplaining a simple change. If my tiny PR with a one line description requires Copilot to output a paragraph of text about it it’s not a summary, it’s simply time wasted on someone who loves to talk.

Re: I'd rather read the prompt

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Post by nathants »

necovek wrote: post #95
nathants wrote: post #32

the solution is obvious. stop grading the result, and start grading the process. if you can one-shot an answer to some problem, the problem is not interesting. the result is necessary, but not sufficient. how did you get there? how did you iterate? what were the twists and turns? what was the pacing? what was the vibe? no matter if with encyclopedia, google, or ai, the medium is the message. the medium is you interac…

Unfortunately, the video is a far cry from carrying all the representative information: there is no way you can capture your full emotions as you are working through a problem, and where did you get your "eureka" moments unless you are particularly good at verbalising your through process as you go through multiple dead-ends and recognize how they lead you in the right direction. And reviewing video would be a nightm…

there are only two options: - have more information - have less information

more is better.

you can scrub video with your finger on an iphone. serious review is always high effort, video changes nothing.

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