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Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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- "The whole story would be far more humorous were it not from a case in which Perrone represented a woman who claims that she nearly died after being incarcerated and not given proper medical care. Perrone must now refile his complaint in that case—without the cartoon dragon." That should be more offensive than cartoons. In a just world. It's not as if the victim had the luxury of many choices of law firms, or any c…

The "outcome" is simply that the judge simply directed the attorney to stop using the dragon watermark. Whats the problem? And, by the way, I'd recommend a bit less credulity about this kind of lawsuit. While there is no doubt that a lot of terrible things happen in America's prisons, it is also extremely common for inmates and former inmates to file exaggerated or even frivolous claims about the conditions of their…

> it is also extremely common for inmates and former inmates to file exaggerated or even frivolous claims about the conditions of their confinement.

It seems pernicious to suggest distrust of claims. Like Blackstone's ratio[1], presuming good faith and investigating, then addressing abuses of the system, seems like the ideal process. The ideal likely ending up unsustainable due to staffing constraints.

[1] "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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I wish that same judge were handling consumer rights right about now, because someone needs to put a proverbial foot down and curb what advertising has become.

Stop Purple Dragon Cartoons from popping up while I'm reading an article.

Stop the 15 second Purple Dragon commercial that plays every G D time I watch an online video.

Stop screaming at me to buy Purple Dinos while I'm pumping gas that already I'm paying out the A on to fill my tank.

(I'd be curious to know if anyone lives next door to one of these gas stations; it must be obnoxious being subjected to that 24/7.)

It's not professional - It's a bad look. Liberty Mutual - I'm talking to you. Et al. Y'all have gone off the rails.

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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Don't stop there: 80% of the links on his website don't work and he has fake reviews from "Johnathan Smith," "Michael Brown," "Emily Johnson," and "Sarah Davis."

Having a specific telephone number and liking dragons are not the real problems. The fake reviews and broken links would seem to be real problems. Adding watermarks to documents that should not contain them is also problems. "Integrating AI to lower the cost of legal services" may also be a problem.

There is correlation and there is causation, and just because some feature is only correlating (but not causing) the problem, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t pay attention to it. They’re red (or purple?) flags.

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

#264

- "The whole story would be far more humorous were it not from a case in which Perrone represented a woman who claims that she nearly died after being incarcerated and not given proper medical care. Perrone must now refile his complaint in that case—without the cartoon dragon." That should be more offensive than cartoons. In a just world. It's not as if the victim had the luxury of many choices of law firms, or any c…

The "outcome" is simply that the judge simply directed the attorney to stop using the dragon watermark. Whats the problem? And, by the way, I'd recommend a bit less credulity about this kind of lawsuit. While there is no doubt that a lot of terrible things happen in America's prisons, it is also extremely common for inmates and former inmates to file exaggerated or even frivolous claims about the conditions of their…

The corollary is also true: it's extremely common for courts to be prejudiced against inmate lawsuits. In extreme cases they don't even read their filings,

https://www.propublica.org/article/louisiana-judges-ignored-... ("Louisiana Judges Systematically Ignored Prisoners’ Petitions Without Review" (2023))

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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New boss: "Why are you wearing a dragon fursuit?" Candidate: "Dress for the job you want" Boss: "Hired! Welcome to Fort Knox"

If I showed up at a work event with a dragon fursuit, my boss would be like: "Okay, what's the punchline?"

"… and the barman says, 'Why the long face?'"

"… and orders a Flaming Sambuca"

"… so I asked him for a light"

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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To a normal person, sure. But the legal system ruins lives and deals in ruined lives every day. They don't blink twice at that stuff. A cartoon dragon on the other hand...

I remember reading a couple years back, when some judges in Louisiana were exposed systematically discarding legal petitions from incarcerated plaintiffs into trash cans, without reading them. Totally nulled out any access to courts, any possibility of justice, for thousands of people. https://www.propublica.org/article/louisiana-judges-ignored-... ( "Louisiana Judges Systematically Ignored Prisoners’ Petitions Witho…

Judges in PA were just selling kids to private prisons.

"Ciavarella disposed thousands of children to extended stays in youth centers for offenses as trivial as mocking an assistant principal on Myspace or trespassing in a vacant building.[3] After a judge rejected an initial plea agreement in 2009,[4][5] a federal grand jury returned a 48-count indictment.[6] In 2010, Conahan pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy and was sentenced to 17.5 years in federal prison.[7] Ciavarella opted to go to trial the following year. He was convicted on 12 of 39 counts and sentenced to 28 years in federal prison.[8] Conahan, who had been released to home confinement in 2020, had his sentence (due to end in 2026) commuted in 2024 by President Joe Biden."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Re: Don't watermark your legal PDFs with purple dragons in suits

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The influence of cartoon dragons probably don't come close the influence of judges and lawyers talking to each other about what schools they went to, what country clubs they belong to, etc. The breech of formality isn't being turned into a big deal because it might bias case outcomes; in that regard it's a rounding error washed out by innumerable more substantial sources of bias. It's being made into a big deal becau…

Too many "rounding errors" adding up seems like a reasonable justification for not allowing even seemingly small sources of additional inconsistency. Slippery slope and all that. Also, just because the other potential sources of bias you brought up exist doesn't mean new ones should be let into the process. I wouldn't be against solutions to remove the ones you mentioned. But I don't think you'd be entirely convinced…

Do you know for a fact that those rounding errors add up, or do they cancel out? I feel like all this bikeshedding is just helping to draw the attention off the more significant and well known biases.

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For example, I like to put Batman as a dummy user I can't remember the details, but I've heard a story multiple times about a fake-sounding name being used in testing -- I think US military payroll? -- and causing problems when a real person had that name. Can anyone here remember this? In any case, "batman" is just about plausible enough that it could be real. I tend to use names like "Mr. Testy Testalicious" which…

Batman is definitely a real name... https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24911186

Maybe, Foo Bar is a real person too. :-/

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I remember reading a couple years back, when some judges in Louisiana were exposed systematically discarding legal petitions from incarcerated plaintiffs into trash cans, without reading them. Totally nulled out any access to courts, any possibility of justice, for thousands of people. https://www.propublica.org/article/louisiana-judges-ignored-... ( "Louisiana Judges Systematically Ignored Prisoners’ Petitions Witho…

Judges in PA were just selling kids to private prisons. "Ciavarella disposed thousands of children to extended stays in youth centers for offenses as trivial as mocking an assistant principal on Myspace or trespassing in a vacant building.[3] After a judge rejected an initial plea agreement in 2009,[4][5] a federal grand jury returned a 48-count indictment.[6] In 2010, Conahan pleaded guilty to one count of racketeer…

Thousands of innocent kids in cages, and Mr. Biden actually pardoned that judge as a "nonviolent offender". I think I'll never forget that particular pardon, the obscenity of it. It, just, inverts the ideals behind the reform movements, turns them upside-down in mockery.

His constituents petitioned him about the crooked jails, and... Biden heard them; and freed the jailer.

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Judges in PA were just selling kids to private prisons. "Ciavarella disposed thousands of children to extended stays in youth centers for offenses as trivial as mocking an assistant principal on Myspace or trespassing in a vacant building.[3] After a judge rejected an initial plea agreement in 2009,[4][5] a federal grand jury returned a 48-count indictment.[6] In 2010, Conahan pleaded guilty to one count of racketeer…

Thousands of innocent kids in cages, and Mr. Biden actually pardoned that judge as a "nonviolent offender". I think I'll never forget that particular pardon, the obscenity of it. It, just, inverts the ideals behind the reform movements, turns them upside-down in mockery. His constituents petitioned him about the crooked jails, and... Biden heard them; and freed the jailer.

He was already on house arrest and was going to be free of that by 2026.

The willingness to take the optics hit to allow him a little more freedom, a little earlier makes me question what everyone else is leadership is doing, they must really relate to him.

"There but for the grace of God go I"

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