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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by juliag2 »

nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that purpose as well as a human. Licensing fees is also a great point, human music royalties are complex and expensive, while AI generated music is a monthly subscription at most.

I can't say I fully agree with you on video game/movie soundtracks, but I think AI generated assets will make game development more accessible, especially for solo developers or small teams.

So I'd just say listen to what you like, see where technology leads us. I don't think human creators will be put out of buisiness any time soon, but they might get competition especially in 'functional' music.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by rglullis »

nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> the average ear won't care. (...) will be available for a fraction of the cost without the licensing fees. (...) be ready to see it popping up everywhere

And you wonder why people are cynical? Do you really think that the best answer to solve IP law and the blandness of pop-music is by making it so cheap that we make it available to everyone?

> But, there are massive use cases where that type emotional connection is not necessary (...) game & movie soundtracks, in waiting areas, tv shows

What will be the point of watching a movie or TV show, then? What will be the point of making one?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by hresvelgr »

nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care.

"Don't set out to raze all shrines - you'll frighten men. Enshrine mediocrity - and the shrines are razed."

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by vlaaad »

DataDaemon wrote: post #14

"I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

Should we tell him?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by ojosilva »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #94
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #38

One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that…

Their biggest weakness is that every voice has a persistent synthy quality, like it's a vocaloid it's being sung into one of those tinny microphone toys for kids. I find Udio has much more natural-sounding vocals.

Udio has these random "halfway" singer voices that I find really interesting to listen to - a little uncanny-valleyish sometimes but interesting nonetheless. Depending on genre it can be a Nat-Sinatra, a Whitney-Dion, etc., it's really cool. It would be great if it could be saved from a song then loaded back for a new one on demand.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by juliag2 »

tern wrote: post #97

The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to sear…

This raises deep questions: What even is creativity? How does taste emerge? Is it just the accumulation of your experiences and your genetics, or is there something else to it? If it's just experiences and genetics, AI will probably outpace humans at some point, because these are just very sophisticated patterns. And if it's not, we would have to assume something metaphysical, for which we do not have evidence.

This is a really fascinating topic, and I think it might give us new insight into the human condition. I'm excited to see where this leads us.

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Post by globular-toast »

nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

Cigarettes are everywhere. Doesn't mean they're good for us. Why do you assume generic background music in every cafe is going to be a good thing? We're just filling our existence up with noise. As for TV and movies, do you think we don't have enough generic "content" already? What benefit is there to making it even easier to make derivative garbage? Perhaps the people currently making it will be out of a job and forced to do better. Could it actually cause an increase in "real" art?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by satisfice »

What is it? I hate products that are soooo coooooool that they don't even bother to explain what they are.

Something about music? okay. What else? Is it all fake music or something?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by Etheryte »

corlinp wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

This is absolutely brilliant. Is there a way for you to put this on Spotify or make the files downloadable? Not familiar with the pricing, capabilities and licensing of Suno, so sorry if this is not possible.

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Post by Rochus »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #70

I have a hypothesis that AI music and other arts will not take off. My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. Not only because you might think a piece of music is lame because it was made by AI vs a human. But also because all the things that bring you back to a piece of art is wrapped up in the person that made it. People who are immense fans of the Beatles, Taylor Swift or…

> My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important.

This presupposes that people are still able to tell the difference between computer-generated and human-generated music, which, in my opinion (as a trained musician and former producer), is no longer the case for the majority of people.

Music and musicians undoubtedly also fulfill an "idol function." But the industry has long since provided an answer to this, for example with highly successful, artificially optimized boy or girl groups. With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves, but were chosen solely for their effect on the audience. This also works with computer-generated music, only much cheaper.

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