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It's Google we're talking about. In no way do I trust them to take pictures of me using their city-wide camera network and not use face/body recognition to keep track of where I go, for the purposes of targeting advertisement.
People are able to get their very boring suburban house that you can find pictures of the interior on zillow of blurred for years (indefinitely?) on google street view. If they were so cartoonishly evil they would not let you do that.
New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
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Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reason they investigate every airplane crash for a root cause is not necessarily because the number of deaths tilts the statistics, it's because they are highly complicated mechanical and electrical machines where there is always the chance for a systematic fault that will doom many further planes if not found and rectified. The same of course applies to self-driving cars; they are literally cars driven by softwa…
Why do you think they don't do root cause investigations? I've personally read through the root cause reports for most of the notable AV accidents. They're not always quite as intensive as aerospace, but I'd be hard pressed to describe any of them as wacky statistical arguments. Obviously most of those reports aren't public, but I'm assuming you also have industry access.
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are able to get their very boring suburban house that you can find pictures of the interior on zillow of blurred for years (indefinitely?) on google street view. If they were so cartoonishly evil they would not let you do that.
Google is pretty good at not letting other people see your information. They're not good at preventing themselves from using that information.
That being said, I have an anecdote as a former googler: the reality with Google though is very thoughtful and favorable for users if you ask Googlers who've worked on their software products. There are audit trails that can result in instant termination if it's determined that you accessed data without proper business justification. I've known an engineer who was fired for an insufficiently justified user lookup (and later re-hired when they did a deeper look -- hilariously they made this person go through orientation again).
And safeguards / approvals required to access data, so it's not just any joe shmoe who can access the data. Wanna use some data from another Google product for your Google product? You're SOL in most cases. Even accessing training data sourced from youtube videos was so difficult that people grumbled "if I were outside of Google at OpenAI or something I'd have an easier time getting hold of youtube videos -- I'd just scrape them."
This isn't to say any of this is a fair thing to make decisions on for most people, because companies change and welp how do you actually know they're doing the right thing? Imo stronger industry-wide regulations would actually help Google because they already built so much infra to support this stuff, and forcing everyone else to spend energy getting on their level would be a competitive advantage.
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
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Google is pretty good at not letting other people see your information. They're not good at preventing themselves from using that information.
I agree in principle that a privately run company could use information in nefarious ways internally, and that barring any additional knowledge you should not trust them. That being said, I have an anecdote as a former googler: the reality with Google though is very thoughtful and favorable for users if you ask Googlers who've worked on their software products. There are audit trails that can result in instant termin…
I'm not afraid of employees at Google or random Google divisions obtaining unauthorised access to information at me, it's not about that. I'm certain that there's very little data that the targeted advertising part of Google can't access.
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
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> I used an Uber on the way here and the car was dirtier To be fair, the fact that Waymos are fancy clean Jaguars is kind of ancillary to the main technology. The tech is currently expensive, so they are targeting the luxury market, which you can also get on Uber if you select a black car or whatever. The people willing to pay for that are less likely to make messes, and the drivers put more effort into frequent clea…
YMMV but for me Waymo is usually significantly cheaper than Uber Black and more comparable to UberX (within a few bucks before taking tip into consideration)
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
#386We don't have waymo in France and I am not sure it wrote work well. Streets in France are full of entitled people. Drivers, bikers (both bikes with pedals and the ones with an engine) and pedestrians. Everyone thinks that they have all the rights but ultimately some kind of order emerges from the chaos. Pedestrians will walk on red lights, but are also careful. Cars will park anywhere, but usually in a way that is ju…
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
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Seems like the rest of the HN crowd is swooning over Waymo. Nothing but glowing reviews. As they become the monopolist, like they always do, watch how they’ll run the age old playbook to destroy the market and then hike prices. I’m not against self-driving cars. I’m against self-driving cars owned by a few megacorps, that will have even control and surveillance capabilities in addition to what’s already in your pocke…
> I’m not against self-driving cars. I’m against self-driving cars owned by a few megacorps Perfect is the enemy of the good. This sort of technological NIMBYism is, in practice, opposition to self-driving cars and their safety benefits.
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I will be sure to think of that the next time I see a human driver whose car has 29 dash cams, 5 lidars, 4 radars, and is using four H100s to process all of its realtime images of me: https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/10/27/waymos-5-6...
A ring camera can do image recognition and store durations of video where a person is in frame. I'm not sure what the privacy difference is between these two. Is lidar and radar recording that much more of a privacy concern than video recording. I'm pretty sure between traffic cameras and security cameras lots of commuters on th street are being filmed. With or without Waymos
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
#389Can we mention that drivers using Tesla’s FSD are 5x less likely to be in an accident than human drivers? Or all things Elon bad?
You mean, according to the unbiased Tesla, drivers using Tesla's FSD in the select areas and conditions it's allowed to operate in are 5x less likely to be in an accident than human drivers that operate in all areas and conditions? Sure.
Re: New Study: Waymo is reducing serious crashes and making streets safer
#390Can we mention that drivers using Tesla’s FSD are 5x less likely to be in an accident than human drivers? Or all things Elon bad?
This may be true, but paradoxically, the data might be slightly skewed since Tesla's driver monitoring system (which is only active during autopilot) actively rewards drivers who are paying attention. So is the accident rate lower because people are forced to be more attentive during FSD? Or is it genuinely lower (i.e, if you took out the driver, would there be less accidents)? To be fair, I'd still wager that yes, F…