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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by natdempk »

visarga wrote: post #7

I can't get Suno to obey the style tags, it's as if they are not used at all in generating the output, or massively changed. Maybe they do the same trick Gemini used to generate the black queen of England. Or it's a trick to waste our credits faster, the only way to get something decent is to spin the dice many times.

v4.5 is a lot better at adherence with detailed descriptions!

Still not totally adherent, but if you can steer it with genre, detailed descriptions of genre, and elements of the genre it's way better than v4. Some descriptions work better than others so there's some experimentation to figure out what works for what you're trying to achieve.

You can also provide descriptions in [brackets] in the lyrics that work reasonably well in my experience.

Disclaimer: I work there as a SWE.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by natdempk »

svantana wrote: post #5
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #2

Feel they didn't really test these genres "Cajun synthpop chant" has no chanting or synths, it sounds more like country music with french woman vocals

Yes, suno has definitely focused more on lyric and melody than prompt following. If the prompt is more than 3-4 words then it deteriorates pretty quickly. I think one reason is that there's not a lot of high quality descriptions of music around - you can guess the genre of the artist, and you can scrape reviews and the like, but that will be pretty noisy.

You can do a lot more detailed prompts with v4.5 than previously and instructions in [brackets] also go a long way now.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by sgt »

If you actually know some of the languages and you realize they are just singing jibberish (much worse than actual real songs), it's impossible to listen to. The instrumental ones can be great.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by bobajeff »

I had not known that this was AI until reading the comments here. I was really enjoying the 'anti-folk big band' station. Now I'm sure that's just a nonsense genre but that nonsense was more enjoyable than the stuff I've found on Spotify. I'm not sure what that says about me or the state of music but I did not expect it to be this capable yet.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by ronsor »

progbits wrote: post #17

Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

Illegal? If the record companies were so obviously going to win, they could've obtained a preliminary injunction to stop Suno's business. They didn't, so the service continues.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by S0y »

Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good.

All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition".

At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by S0y »

S0y wrote: post #27

Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

>Take the plunge in the strength of the breakbeat,

>Among the stars, where the dreams and freedom meet.

>Finding the ecstasy of life’s uncharted quest,

>In every pulse of the music, feel the zest.

Like... what?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by jbm »

sgt wrote: post #23

If you actually know some of the languages and you realize they are just singing jibberish (much worse than actual real songs), it's impossible to listen to. The instrumental ones can be great.

I speak Japanese — I'm pretty sure it isn't gibberish when I put in custom lyrics. (It does sometime read Kanji wrong but not when you put in the pronunciation)

I can't say anything about autogenerated lyrics.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

S0y wrote: post #27

Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

> At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

Only because the bar for music is so low nowadays. Thankfully poetry hasn't been commodified yet liked music has.

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