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Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by feverzsj »

lukan wrote: post #12
petesergeant wrote: post #3

> Grahn said TikTok has “has never received a request for European user data from the Chinese authorities, and has never provided European user data to them.” lol, ok. Chinese intelligence services must be completely asleep at the wheel (doubtful)

I rather think they don't need to request, but have a direct line into the servers.

China government literally forces direct integration into every messaging and financial service. If you talk shit about the government in wechat, the police will call you the next minute.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by rfoo »

graemep wrote: post #25
_Algernon_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Questionable whether that will still be true in 4 years. At least China can still be expected to operate rationally.

Really? A nice rational genocide or two? China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. The US is actually acting rationally IMO. People just look at headlines and do not dig into the reasons. You might not agree with the reasoning, but it is not irrational. For example the tariffs clearly follow from arguments made by Trump's appointees (such as Bessent a…

You know, sometimes I really wonder, if Uyghurs aren't white, are US/EU still going to make stretch to call the human right abuse during China's version of "counter-terrorism war" in Xinjiang "genocide" or not.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by surgical_fire »

graemep wrote: post #25
_Algernon_ wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Questionable whether that will still be true in 4 years. At least China can still be expected to operate rationally.

Really? A nice rational genocide or two? China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. The US is actually acting rationally IMO. People just look at headlines and do not dig into the reasons. You might not agree with the reasoning, but it is not irrational. For example the tariffs clearly follow from arguments made by Trump's appointees (such as Bessent a…

> China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US.

China never threatened to annex portions of EU countries, unlike the US.

If anything, China is definitely more reliable, as its only disputes with EU are on trade, not anything ideological or that threatens the integrity of each party.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by conradfr »

miroljub wrote: post #27

Now, I'm still waiting for those watchdogs to fine Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, and bazillion other companies over data transfer to the USA. Just kidding, I know it won't happen. But at least paying some taxes in Ireland should be possible, shouldn't it?

Facebook has been, Uber as well.

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Post by subscribed »

miroljub wrote: post #27

Now, I'm still waiting for those watchdogs to fine Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, and bazillion other companies over data transfer to the USA. Just kidding, I know it won't happen. But at least paying some taxes in Ireland should be possible, shouldn't it?

There are multiple ways EU-based user data can be lawfully transferred to the US, due to the similarities in the bits of the data protection law.

I'm not aware of the similar arrangements being possible with China-based providers.

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Post by netdevphoenix »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #11
prof-dr-ir wrote: post #7

'massive' -- by which standards? It is high time we got used to companies being fined a reasonable fraction of their revenue. And TikTok's global revenue last year alone was estimated at $20 billion to $26 billion [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/technology/tiktok-ban-byt...

What bearing does their global revenue have on what Ireland has any jurisdiction to fine them? I'm not a fan or user of TikTok, but what they earn on other continents is none of Ireland's business.

If you breach a regulation or commit a crime in a jurisdiction, your behaviour in other jurisdictions WILL be considered during your judicial process.

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Post by seydor »

lukan wrote: post #15
seydor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relationship between EU and US is certainly closer than China

It is. But if a US company like Paypal decides to blacklist me for whatever reason (data shared from other companies) - the consequences for me are way higher.

that's because common interests are closer

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by seydor »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #19
seydor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relationship between EU and US is certainly closer than China

Questionable whether that will still be true in 4 years. At least China can still be expected to operate rationally.

We should remember that Donald Trump is not the only american

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by gkbrk »

miroljub wrote: post #27

Now, I'm still waiting for those watchdogs to fine Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, and bazillion other companies over data transfer to the USA. Just kidding, I know it won't happen. But at least paying some taxes in Ireland should be possible, shouldn't it?

Instead of claiming things without doing 1 minute of research, you could have just checked a GDPR enforcement tracker [1].

If you sort by largest fines, you'll see that Meta, Amazon, TikTok, LinkedIn (Microsoft), Uber, WhatsApp (Meta) and Google have all been fined.

[1]: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Post by SilverBirch »

Two things I wonder about: first are these fines actually going to happen or is the sort of thing where it gets appealed indefinitely. And second, where do the fines go? It sounds a lot like since Ireland is where Tiktok is getting fined the fines go to the Irish government which would seem crazy. The fines are assessed in the context of the full EU, but only Ireland gets the revenue? This is broken.
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