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Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by serhack_ »

steveklabnik wrote: post #67
serhack_ wrote: post #62

OT: how does anyone buy their cloud? Is it only available as a public alpha/beta with remote control? I might have a client interested into this, but needs to have some guarantees that their data remains on-premise.

> how does anyone buy their cloud? https://oxide.computer/contact > Is it only available as a public alpha/beta with remote control? I might have a client interested into this, but needs to have some guarantees that their data remains on-premise. You are purchasing hardware. You put it on-premise. Our software gives you a cloud-like deployment model, but it's not going anywhere other than your rack. Happy to answer a…

Ah nice, I thought for a second it was more vertical with its own hardware (which has its pro and cons, maybe it's in your plans..). Would that work as a SAAS? Or price per hardware device/machines I can create?

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by TZubiri »

ahl wrote: post #11
TZubiri wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But compensation is the opposite of ownership? And there's no mention of equity here. In fact equity compensation is very common in SF startups.

Equity is mentioned in the previous post: > Some will say that we should be talking about equity, not cash compensation. While it’s true that startup equity is important, it’s also true that startup equity doesn’t pay the orthodontist’s bill or get the basement repainted. We believe that every employee should have equity to give them a stake in the company’s future (and that an outsized return for investors should al…

Yeah, but equity is very standard in SF startups, Oxide actually goes in the opposite direction, by reducing weight from equity and placing it on salary.

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by latchkey »

steveklabnik wrote: post #68
latchkey wrote: post #63

The post I want to see is: "Oxide's revenue model: how is it going?" Looking on the website, I just see "try a vm and play with us", I'm super curious how this translates to sales. Updated: s/rent/try/

> I just see "rent a vm and play with us", To be clear, you cannot rent anything from us: you are buying a rack-scale system.

True, rent was the wrong word. I was referring to this:

https://oxide.computer/remote-access

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by knowitnone »

michaelt wrote: post #23

> One of the more incredible (and disturbingly frequent) objections I have heard is: "But is that what you’ll pay support folks?" I continue to find this question offensive, but I no longer find it surprising: the specific dismissal of support roles reveals a widespread and corrosive devaluation of those closest to customers. The easy way to "pay everyone the same amount" when you sorta don't want to is to outsource…

So outsource everyone?

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by ahl »

tgma wrote: post #58
abxyz wrote: post #48

I like it a lot and their thoughtfulness about it but it's a little hollow when they're spending investor money. I'd like to see how this model evolves once they're off the vc teat: when there's a bottom line to answer to, does the dynamic shift? Everyone has an on-site chef when the money vc hose is on. Valve's flat structure was exciting because it wasn't 3 vc's in a coat larping as a business, it was an actual pro…

You hit the nail on the head re sales being the canary in the coalmine. I just read the original post which I found distasteful and on-brand with Cantrill virtue signaling. Everyone is equal but some people are more equal: some get founder equity and some measly basis points. To boot, founders already made their money from Sun Microsystems looking for retirement entertainment and more than 175 or 200k is gonna be tax…

Several mistakes here, perhaps most egregious: Sun Microsystems might have made some people rich but that was looooong loooooong ago.

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by steveklabnik »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #65

As someone who is unfamiliar with your product could you maybe explain to me what your company sells? I looked for a while at your website, and it seems like you sell server hardware, however, when I go to the products section, it talks of demos etc, which sounds more like you sell cloud hosted systems. I don't see any way to find the prices or order the hardware itself. Very confusing website.

Sure thing!

> it seems like you sell server hardware,

We do!

> which sounds more like you sell cloud hosted systems

The server hardware we sell has a cloud-like interface. That is, you don't administer individual computers in the rack, you treat it as one big pool of resources that you can use. We handle the details.

I wrote a lengthy comment a few years back that has more detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30678324

I'm happy to elaborate on this or anything else you're curious about.

> I don't see any way to find the prices or order the hardware itself.

We do not publish pricing, and to place an order, you can contact sales: https://oxide.computer/contact

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by tgma »

ahl wrote: post #75
tgma wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hit the nail on the head re sales being the canary in the coalmine. I just read the original post which I found distasteful and on-brand with Cantrill virtue signaling. Everyone is equal but some people are more equal: some get founder equity and some measly basis points. To boot, founders already made their money from Sun Microsystems looking for retirement entertainment and more than 175 or 200k is gonna be tax…

Several mistakes here, perhaps most egregious: Sun Microsystems might have made some people rich but that was looooong loooooong ago.

Sun or otherwise it’s not the beginning of his career. I don’t mean they are billionaires but I’m willing to bet they don’t need to collect cash to pay downpayment like an average Google L4 on their first starter townhouse in Sunnyvale which will get more expensive while they receive their 200ks, so yeah I know exactly what I’m talking about. He knows very well too.

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by lbotos »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #65

As someone who is unfamiliar with your product could you maybe explain to me what your company sells? I looked for a while at your website, and it seems like you sell server hardware, however, when I go to the products section, it talks of demos etc, which sounds more like you sell cloud hosted systems. I don't see any way to find the prices or order the hardware itself. Very confusing website.

they sell you a "cloud in your closet" -- the "apple of enterprise" -- buy their boxes, which run their os with deep integration to the hardware because they make both, and a support contract and you have and end to end solution where Oxide deliver the literal entire stack.

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by steveklabnik »

serhack_ wrote: post #71
steveklabnik wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how does anyone buy their cloud? https://oxide.computer/contact > Is it only available as a public alpha/beta with remote control? I might have a client interested into this, but needs to have some guarantees that their data remains on-premise. You are purchasing hardware. You put it on-premise. Our software gives you a cloud-like deployment model, but it's not going anywhere other than your rack. Happy to answer a…

Ah nice, I thought for a second it was more vertical with its own hardware (which has its pro and cons, maybe it's in your plans..). Would that work as a SAAS? Or price per hardware device/machines I can create?

We have built our own hardware, yes.

> Would that work as a SAAS? Or price per hardware device/machines I can create?

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. You could use this to build your own SAAS business if you'd like, but you can't rent the hardware from us, or run your software on hardware we own, if that's what you mean.

Re: Oxide’s compensation model: how is it going?

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Post by ahl »

tgma wrote: post #77
ahl wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Several mistakes here, perhaps most egregious: Sun Microsystems might have made some people rich but that was looooong loooooong ago.

Sun or otherwise it’s not the beginning of his career. I don’t mean they are billionaires but I’m willing to bet they don’t need to collect cash to pay downpayment like an average Google L4 on their first starter townhouse in Sunnyvale which will get more expensive while they receive their 200ks, so yeah I know exactly what I’m talking about. He knows very well too.

I can't speak for everyone at Oxide, but I'm practically certain that none of us wants to live in Sunnyvale.
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