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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by kridsdale3 »

jasode wrote: post #159
behnamoh wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, it appears being at the edge of bankruptcy, and having turned the ship around has made them paranoid of losing a single cent. That was more than 20 years ago, under a totally different market condition and Apple leadership. Back then, they needed developers to turn the ship around, now they think devs need them. They's a cash cow and act like assholes.

> Back then, they needed developers to turn the ship around, now they think devs need them. No, that's the opposite of what actually happened with the iPhone. Back in 2007, Apple actually saw evidence from the customer buying frenzy that Apple didn't need 3rd-party devs to make iPhone a wild success. After the very desirable iPhones got into millions of customers hands, it was the 3rd-party devs that needed Apple mor…

OP was talking about 1997, not 2007.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by cogman10 »

Osiris wrote: post #166
torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

Given that the CFO encouraged Cook to violate the court order tells me that they calculated that 1. Any fines for not complying would be less than what they would lose by complying 2. That no individual would suffer any consequences for blatantly disobeying a court order. In my opinion, the whole concept that a company can break the law but no human can be held responsible is insane. I really hope that criminal charg…

> I really hope that criminal charges are brought against those involved in making a conscious choice to both lie to the court and ignore the court order.

I do as well, but I have little hope that it will.

Prosecutors don't like prosecuting perjury. It's tricky to prosecute (particularly because of how close it is to the first amendment), takes a lot of time, and often it just ends up with a minor slap on the wrist. I've seen other cases with outrageous perjury that resulted in no criminal prosecution.

This is a broken part of the justice system. Particularly because these apple execs have the money and lawyers to drag out any prosecution until everyone involved is dead. But also because it relies on government prosecutors caring in the first place.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by kridsdale3 »

chmod775 wrote: post #25
jerjerjer wrote: post #22

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> Look at how snubbing developers has worked out for the Apple Vision Pro. I think it's mostly the lack of users. Apple snubs mobile developers all the time, but since they gate access to a large chunk of well-paying customers, developers are ready to jump through any hoops. If there were millions of Apple Vision Pro users I'm sure the developers would have followed, but it's of course a chicken and egg situation con…

What killed the Vision Pro is the complete lack of support for the two main things people use VR for. Productivity is a distant third behind the likes of VR Chat and pornography. If Apple managed to capture only 1% of VR Chat's monthly userbase, they would've tripled their pathetic sales numbers. Apple tried to focus on productivity and some light entertainment and didn't even throw the other two a bone by supporting…

Trust me, porn on the Vision Pro is plentiful and industry-leading.

VRChat, I agree, should absolutely be there and unrestricted. It wont be though. It isn't uncensored on Oculus either.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by crazygringo »

chrisjj wrote: post #143
vessenes wrote: post #79

In the words of a trial lawyer friend of mine, “Nobody in the history of the world has said, ‘You know what? The judge was right; I was an asshole.’ Definitely some of those vibes there. I’ve generally been on team apple for this case, and as Gruber notes, they largely won the case. Dunking on their power to set other contractual fees seems to have come back to bite them. That said, as a user, I strongly prefer to us…

> a payment service that shows all my recurring payments in one place, lets me cancel them PayPal does. > and feels generally very safe PayPal doesn't??

I've heard so many horror stories about people's PayPal accounts, it feels like the last thing from safe.

On the other hand, if you're using it exclusively for payments rather than receiving money maybe it's fine?

But there are so many stories where PayPal closed someone's account and didn't give them back their money, am I really supposed to trust them in the case of a dispute where I'm owed a refund?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by qingcharles »

vessenes wrote: post #79

In the words of a trial lawyer friend of mine, “Nobody in the history of the world has said, ‘You know what? The judge was right; I was an asshole.’ Definitely some of those vibes there. I’ve generally been on team apple for this case, and as Gruber notes, they largely won the case. Dunking on their power to set other contractual fees seems to have come back to bite them. That said, as a user, I strongly prefer to us…

I've never had to dispute anything yet through Apple Pay. Does anyone have any experience? Are their reps decent and have a fair process?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by babypuncher »

throwanem wrote: post #46
modeless wrote: post #26

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It's not really a chicken and egg situation, it's more of a cost problem. It still costs $3500. Even if the next version is a third of the price it will still cost three times more than the competition.

And if I'm buying it as a devkit I'm sure my accountant and I will find a way to write that off, anyway. $3500 isn't quite pocket change, but it is close enough to petty cash. But why do that if there's no users? And even the day-one diehards among my colleagues stopped wanting to be seen in them before long. I think it isn't really chicken-egg, is what I'm saying. Devs were so hot to target iPhone from day one that…

The price isn't as much of a problem for developer adoption, it's a problem for user adoption. Users aren't buying the Apple Vision Pro because it's $3500. Developers aren't writing apps for the Apple Vision Pro because it has no users.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by henry2023 »

nostromo wrote: post #40
Workaccount2 wrote: post #35

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I wouldn't blame them, Americans on the whole fall over themselves to defend Apple. Apple is the magic entity that figured out how to send full videos and pictures in text messages. Something a google android could never figure out. Apple phones didn't come bloated with garbage. You go to the apple store for help rather than the verizon store. You are above others when you have an iPhone. Apple's external veneer is s…

I want Apple to protect me from app developers. For me, it’s a feature not a bug. I want them to prevent social media companies from tracking my device across my other apps. I want them to integrate billing so I can easily cancel subscriptions or get refunds. I want them to require Oauth that allows me to keep my email private from app developers. These features make my customer experience better not worse. I’m sorry…

Have you ever used a PC or laptop? I bet you have at least a computer and the fact that you can download and install software without an intermediary doesn't make you lose any of the things mentioned above.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by benoau »

jobs_throwaway wrote: post #60
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #37

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A change of leadership? This is clear, obvious, undenied evidence of Tim Cook committing a criminal act. This is a crime . A coordinated, intentional, well-informed crime made in malice! He should go to jail!

100%. For any regular citizen this would obviously lead to jail time. Being Tim Cook shouldn't change that.

The funny thing is they have 2x consumer class actions (US + UK) alleging these 30% fees were always a ripoff, they just became a slam dunk so that’ll be tens of billions they have to pay back!

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by semanticist »

jasode wrote: post #159
behnamoh wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, it appears being at the edge of bankruptcy, and having turned the ship around has made them paranoid of losing a single cent. That was more than 20 years ago, under a totally different market condition and Apple leadership. Back then, they needed developers to turn the ship around, now they think devs need them. They's a cash cow and act like assholes.

> Back then, they needed developers to turn the ship around, now they think devs need them. No, that's the opposite of what actually happened with the iPhone. Back in 2007, Apple actually saw evidence from the customer buying frenzy that Apple didn't need 3rd-party devs to make iPhone a wild success. After the very desirable iPhones got into millions of customers hands, it was the 3rd-party devs that needed Apple mor…

The OP isn't talking about iPhone devs, they're talking about a decade before that when Apple was called 'Apple Computer' and had mad a series of bad business choices (confusing product line up, allowing other companies to make Mac clones, etc).

Developers had started to abandon the Mac OS platform - or at least start making Windows versions of previously Mac-only software - and getting developer confidence back was one of the key things that kept the company alive to grow into the consumer electronics manufacturer that it is today.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by [deleted] »

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

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