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What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Engineers typically go the other way though: always write email and never meet. Then they wonder why their project goes south because the specs are incomplete or the users aren't happy. I think it's largely a knee-jerk reaction against bad meetings - hour long no-point crapfests - but they don't have to be like that.

Agreed. On my team at Kabam, we have meetings, but 1) They are as small as possible, typically including just 2 or 3 people. 2) Are always optional. 3) Typically last around 15 minutes. It helps to have plenty of space/rooms where you can just pull someone aside to hash out a quick issue, and a mature, responsible team that doesn't need baby sitting to get stuff done.

I want to take on of your points and go on a bit of a tangent about meetings. Specifically, this one: "They are as small as possible, typically including just 2 or 3 people."

I think everybody's goal should be to make meetings as small as possible. If you don't know why everybody there is there, then either they're redundant, superfluous, or lost.

One thing I like to stress in my meetings that I run is that everybody knows why they are there. Even if that's just to listen. Too often, people think that because they were invited to a meeting, they need to say something. This is what generates hour-long bullshit meetings. Sometimes, you just need them to shut up, listen, and take notes.

I've found that if, when you set the meeting, you send a note to them after the invite with, "Hey, I know you're busy, but I'd like you to listen in on this so you understand what's being discussed. I'll get your feedback on it after the meeting." Works wonders and keeps meetings short.

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Meetings != Communication (always avoid double negations)

Except (No Meetings != No Communication) != (Meetings != Communication)

Actually, yes, it means exactly that.

neilk incorrectly used a comparison operator to try and point out the logical fallacy known as affirming the consequent. But thats not what was said.

At least thats what I think is happening here. I can't be sure because instead of using logic symbols they used symbols that are ambiguous at best.

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Real reasons why working at Facebook isn't that attractive in my opinion: 1. Giant php codebase. 2. All the excitement is gone post-IPO, they've reached an inflection point and growth is slowing down. 3. Mark Zuckerburg doesn't have great social skills/intelligence. Which wouldn't be a problem, except that he runs a giant social network. 4. The corporate mission of making the world more open and connected just doesn'…

re: growth. Facebook has one billion active users. There are seven billion humans in the world. There is a lot of growth left.

No, they don't have a billion users. And no, there's isn't growth left. Theoretically there is the potential that they could grow still, but it isn't happening.

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Real reasons why working at Facebook isn't that attractive in my opinion: 1. Giant php codebase. 2. All the excitement is gone post-IPO, they've reached an inflection point and growth is slowing down. 3. Mark Zuckerburg doesn't have great social skills/intelligence. Which wouldn't be a problem, except that he runs a giant social network. 4. The corporate mission of making the world more open and connected just doesn'…

3. I don't know why you say that MZ does not have great intelligence. I met this kid in two occasions (outside the States) for professional issues and IMHO he is kind of shy- awkward but that someone does not speak up does not mean that he is not intelligent. Usually the opposite is true.

Playing devil's advocate: "Better to be silent and others think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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A lot of this is believable (i.e. can be taken for real, not satire) if you don't read into each point, because a lot of it is quite different from how Google does things: 1. At Google, code has to be designed, written, tested, and reviewed. You can't just start writing and shipping stuff, partly because there's so much infrastructure, and partly because you pay for shoddy code later. Google has long outgrown the kin…

1. At Google, code has to be designed, written, tested, and reviewed. You can't just start writing and shipping stuff, partly because there's so much infrastructure, and partly because you pay for shoddy code later.

What makes you think Facebook doesn't design and test code, or that the other concerns don't apply to them as well?

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Satire is well and good, but i can't grok #9. Interviews in a hot tub? So... even for the women? Or is it used preferentially for high pressure engineers only (whom of course are all men)? It may be just me, but I can't see the HR department in any state being okay with that. And if it's not for interviews... what's it for?

And does Facebook supply the bathing suits?

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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Do you seriously not understand how a hot tub could be inappropriate as part of a job interview? Not as bad as a casting couch or a swimsuit competition, but still bad. Obviously, indisputably bad. I just hope that part of the article was not inspired by truth.

Perhaps the post was edited later, but they don't actually use it for interviews (ever). See the photo album: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151055286951458....

Read the paragraph again:

There is a fully-working hot tub in the New York office that interviews are conducted in. I didn’t believe this until I saw the photos on Twitter. It was billed to me as a way to test candidates’ resilience under pressure. I was told that it’s used rarely...

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I installed a hot tub (non-functioning) as a conference room in Facebook Seattle. Interviews are never done in them.]

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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But in dealing with language here, there are subtle differences in connotation between the two options. Just like how saying "not bad" isn't that same as saying "good".

But in dealing with language here, there are subtle differences in connotation between the two options. We're not dealing in language, formal symbols exist to remove the ambiguity of language. Plain and simple, the symbols used don't mean what the poster thinks they mean.

The symbols are simply shorthand. Trying to parse it as a mathematical equation was your mistake, not his.

Re: What I Hate About Working At Facebook

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The thing is that had he actually did that, I would have a more positive view of working for FB. I would be impressed by the caliber of people who work there -- people who're capable of parsing out the nuances of a given situation and take a holistic view of the situation. Those people are the type who can work through difficult situations and salvage a bad one. Instead, I walk away with the impression that FB is ful…

Yup, pretty much. My view of FB prior to this was luke-warm because of their contribution to open source, but it's just gone in the toilet.

So your entire view of facebook was changed based on one blog post? It seems to me you were looking to justify your already negative view.
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