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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by nova22033 » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:30 PM UTC

torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

Tim Cook is an operation guy. With Trump's trade war, operations is going to be even more important.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chrisjj » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:33 PM UTC

intrasight wrote: post #10

ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #9

I hope he gets criminal charges. The amount of people who lie under oath and get away with it is unacceptable. Lets get all the politicians who lied under oath next as well.

It's not gonna happen. And for the reason that you just gave.

They didn't give a reason.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chrisjj » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:36 PM UTC

vessenes wrote: post #79

In the words of a trial lawyer friend of mine, “Nobody in the history of the world has said, ‘You know what? The judge was right; I was an asshole.’ Definitely some of those vibes there. I’ve generally been on team apple for this case, and as Gruber notes, they largely won the case. Dunking on their power to set other contractual fees seems to have come back to bite them. That said, as a user, I strongly prefer to us…

> a payment service that shows all my recurring payments in one place, lets me cancel them

PayPal does.

> and feels generally very safe

PayPal doesn't??

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chrisjj » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:38 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #130

Link to the court doc: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36... > The testimony of Mr. Roman, Vice President of Finance, was replete with misdirection and outright lies. He even went so far as to testify that Apple did not look at comparables to estimate the costs of alternative payment solutions that developers would need to procure to facilitate linked-out purchases. (May 2024 Tr. 266:22–267:…

> So was Roman incompetent or just kissing ass hoping to become the President of Finance

Why not both?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by CharlesW » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:38 PM UTC

philistine wrote: post #20

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

The Playdate, made by Panic, has a more active store than Vision Pro.

The Playdate store has ~300 games.

Apple Vision Pro has ~3,000 native apps, plus millions more compatible iPhone/iPad apps.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chrisjj » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:39 PM UTC

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #3

Will the executive actually face an criminal charges? No they will not.

> Will the executive actually face an criminal charges? No they will not.

How so?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by fencepost » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:40 PM UTC

Ah, but will there be any actual financial penalties against Apple to address the revenue they received as a result of this? Or would developers have to start their own cases to attempt to recover anything?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by k2enemy » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:41 PM UTC

philistine wrote: post #21

Tim Cook has overstayed his welcome. He should have left years ago at this point. That plus the fact that all his successors are built on the same nondescript mold he came out of, does not bode well for the strategic vision of Apple.

I'm hoping for John Ternus to take the reins soon. At least from the casual outside observer, he seems like someone that's actually excited about tech and customer experience.

Maybe Apple is too big to have a product person as CEO? They are so big that they essentially need a diplomat at the top spot? If so, at least let someone like Ternus call the internal shots and lead the products.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chrisjj » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:42 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

jordanb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upside is that executives are cowards (also there's no way in hell I'm going to prison for my employer and most people I know feel the same) so even one high profile successful prosecution will have enormous deterrance effect. There is this despondent feeling among most people that the law no longer applies to the powerful and we watch the behave with ever more brazenness. The saving grace is the amount of pushba…

I think cowards is the wrong word - more like opportunists. Like you said, almost no one wants to go to jail for "shareholder value" or a 10% bonus.

> almost no one wants to go to jail for "shareholder value" or a 10% bonus.

Almost no-one gets that choice.

The choose a risk of going to jail for a more likely bonus.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by CharlesW » Thu, May 01, 2025, 4:42 PM UTC

Swoerd wrote: post #47

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

>Look at how snubbing developers has worked out for the Apple Vision Pro. It was already a niche device, but it's a ghost town. This isn’t really about that. The reality is that the AVP costs $3500,- and realistically, how many users are there? It’s much more likely that developers will begin building for VisionOS once Apple releases a more affordable device.

> The reality is that the AVP costs $3500,- and realistically, how many users are there?

This is exactly what everyone said about the original Macintosh, which cost $7,695 in 2025 dollars. The prediction value of the price of this AVP model is close to zero.