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Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by afavour »

coldpie wrote: post #23
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if so is there any reason to believe they won't be pardoned upon a conviction? Given Apple's direct pushback against Trump's anti-"DEI" campaign, it's less likely than I might have thought - or maybe that's leverage? e.g. what if Trump promises to pardon Apple's executives if they remove the giant rainbow thingie from Apple Park and stop selling pride-related Apple watch straps?

You are being distracted by the culture war sideshow. No war but the class war, and Apple's execs are definitely powerful enough players in that war to protect themselves from consequences.

It's not really a culture war sideshow it's a "buying favor with the administration" sideshow. And it does matter, Trump is not exactly a man with a strong loyalty streak. Demonstrating fealty to him on a regular basis could absolutely result in preferable outcomes for Apple.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by cosmicgadget »

> This is an injunction, not a negotiation. There are no do-overs once a party willfully disregards a court order.

...

> referred the matter to the U.S. Attorney for a criminal contempt investigation.

It's suddenly become a negotiation again.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by bluSCALE4 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #5
jordanb wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upside is that executives are cowards (also there's no way in hell I'm going to prison for my employer and most people I know feel the same) so even one high profile successful prosecution will have enormous deterrance effect. There is this despondent feeling among most people that the law no longer applies to the powerful and we watch the behave with ever more brazenness. The saving grace is the amount of pushba…

I think cowards is the wrong word - more like opportunists. Like you said, almost no one wants to go to jail for "shareholder value" or a 10% bonus.

The coward part was to stress his later point that they'll all fall in line like a herd of animals.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by chipsrafferty »

blooalien wrote: post #16
notyourwork wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally I agree but I think the pushback needs to be a bit larger than you suggest. Over the last 25 years, we’ve become more tolerant to larger leeway for those of certain societal status. A relatively large whiplash must happen to course correct the general behavior, in my opinion.

> "A relatively large whiplash must happen to course correct the general behavior, in my opinion." Indeed. Someone (or a couple few well-known someones) in positions of real "power" need to do some real prison time in a real prison for their massive lawbreaking and abuses of power before they'll take the situation somewhat seriously.

A LOT imo.

If you make it clear that even a little slip up of fraud will be at least 1 year in prison and huge fines, I think it would work wonders.

Tough on crime policies don't really work for petty crime, because people are desperate. But rich people have so much to lose that they wouldn't risk it.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Workaccount2 »

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

I wouldn't blame them, Americans on the whole fall over themselves to defend Apple. Apple is the magic entity that figured out how to send full videos and pictures in text messages. Something a google android could never figure out. Apple phones didn't come bloated with garbage. You go to the apple store for help rather than the verizon store. You are above others when you have an iPhone.

Apple's external veneer is stellar, and the overwhelming majority of people don't know and don't care what it is holding up that veneer.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Tryk »

post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

Well they've been getting away with it for years seemingly without any real consequences. Why should we assume corporations behave morally when there are no sanctions?

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

torben-friis wrote: post #7

>Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. Judging by tech, apple is right now in deep water due to the failure of deli…

A change of leadership? This is clear, obvious, undenied evidence of Tim Cook committing a criminal act. This is a crime. A coordinated, intentional, well-informed crime made in malice!

He should go to jail!

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by hobs »

aeurielesn wrote: post #11
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #9

I hope he gets criminal charges. The amount of people who lie under oath and get away with it is unacceptable. Lets get all the politicians who lied under oath next as well.

It's baffling putting together a C-suite of anti-competitive executives doesn't get anyone criminal charges.

Its only baffling if you think consumers control the courts, which they self evidently do not.

Re: Judge rules Apple executive lied under oath, makes criminal contempt referral

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Post by nostromo »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #35
post_break wrote: post #15

The top brass at Apple just think they are above everyone else. Remember when Tim Cook lied about Apple not giving anyone special terms in the app store and that everyone gets the same deal. And then it came out Netflix was one that got special terms? The sheer arrogance of Apple leaders is astounding. They think they are outright owed rent on anything that runs on an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple thinks developers are no…

I wouldn't blame them, Americans on the whole fall over themselves to defend Apple. Apple is the magic entity that figured out how to send full videos and pictures in text messages. Something a google android could never figure out. Apple phones didn't come bloated with garbage. You go to the apple store for help rather than the verizon store. You are above others when you have an iPhone. Apple's external veneer is s…

I want Apple to protect me from app developers. For me, it’s a feature not a bug.

I want them to prevent social media companies from tracking my device across my other apps.

I want them to integrate billing so I can easily cancel subscriptions or get refunds.

I want them to require Oauth that allows me to keep my email private from app developers.

These features make my customer experience better not worse. I’m sorry it sucks for app developers to make less money but for customers it’s mostly a good thing.

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