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Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by wafflemaker »

pyr0hu wrote: post #259
PuppetSoup wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux desktop is getting better but I still wouldn't daily drive it, I'm genuinely interested what Linux is missing for you? I've been daily driving it for years and do all my work and gaming on it. Is it specific software or?

Anti-cheats are not really compatible on Linux IIRC. Maybe there have been improvements on this front but I think this was the main issue for a lot of gamers. This and there were cases when they were getting banned for playing through Wine. I once tried to set up a GPU passthrough setup to a Windows VM to play WoW but there were a ton of report that Blizzard just banned players for using QEMU VMs because they were ma…

Could some game programmer say if it's true that kernel level anti cheat is just bad programming?

Primagean recently said that in a video commenting PewDiePie's "I switched to Linux" video. While he's apparently a good programmer (he worked at Netflix), he uses Vim, so I don't trust him. Edit: part about vim is an edgy joke.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by ourmandave »

SietrixDev wrote: post #283
skc wrote: post #215

I just opened Word and Excel after a cold start of the OS (Windows 11) Both opened fully in a second. So just how much faster should these apps actually open? I suspect this is aimed at Enterprise installations where the machines are gunked up with corporate spyware.

I have a different issue. First window of Excel starts fast, but try to open another file and you'd think that I just didn't click on it. 10 second wait times and I'm on a private machine without any corporate bloat.

I noticed that too. Double click xlsx outside Excel and wonder if it did anything.

But if you open the 2nd spreadsheet (File > Open) from inside Excel, it opens up a lot faster in a separate window.

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Post by skc »

BSDobelix wrote: post #251
skc wrote: post #215

I just opened Word and Excel after a cold start of the OS (Windows 11) Both opened fully in a second. So just how much faster should these apps actually open? I suspect this is aimed at Enterprise installations where the machines are gunked up with corporate spyware.

>I just opened Word and Excel after a cold start of the OS Test those things after a reboot (not a cold start) aka "Fast Startup", that's why you have massive uptime when you always shutdown/start and don't do reboot's.

Ok so I've just done this and got the same result. It's plenty fast.

And this is a pretty average laptop. Dell, Intel Core i7 with 16GB of RAM. In fact it's Windows 11 Home edition.

Now I bet if I tried this same test on my work PC which is supposed to be much beefier I'd probably find that it takes an extra second or two.

This being HN I'm almost 100% certain that the only time anyone touches a PC is at work. And work PCs have loads of gunk on them.

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Post by pohuing »

sentientslug wrote: post #88
mrandish wrote: post #79

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> Windows startup is perfectly fine No... it's not fine. I don't reboot all the time for work or run a zillion VMs, I'm just a regular user. But sometimes when I'm rebooting - I need to get to necessary information quickly. Waiting 40+ seconds is an eternity when standing at an airport immigration counter pulling up a pre-filed form that they said I did not need to bring but which they're now demanding (because their…

Something is wrong with your computer if it takes 40 seconds, I have a similar samsung SSD and it takes like 20 seconds maximum from a cold boot to desktop on Win11

Yeah my ~1000€ Lenovo Yoga 7 Pro takes 18 seconds from cold boot(power button press) to signed in via windows hello. And that's with Bitlocker and myself having installed a whole bunch of background utilities.

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Post by richrichardsson »

promiseofbeans wrote: post #263
rafaelmn wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just general polish. Like I was daily driving fedora last year and : - fractional scaling did not work in Gnome with Wayland for X11 Apps - I still cannot use my LG C4 as a monitor in full capacity because AMD on Linux does not support HDMI 2.1 - Screen sharing was very buggy - in Slack especially - it would constantly crash the slack app during calls, ditto for camera, but even in Google meet and Chrome I've ha…

If you're happy to dip your toes into another DAW, Reaper has excellent first-class Linux support, works with all your plugins, and has a 60 day trial* for you to get used to it. * The free trial is enforced as heavily as WinRAR's, and it's pretty cheap (~$60) to buy a licence if the nag screen makes you feel bad enough

Alternatively Bitwig has Linux support and wouldn't be such a big jump.

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

os2warpman wrote: post #275
PuppetSoup wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux desktop is getting better but I still wouldn't daily drive it, I'm genuinely interested what Linux is missing for you? I've been daily driving it for years and do all my work and gaming on it. Is it specific software or?

I am extremely experienced with Linux. Every single one of my servers is running RHEL/Rocky. I daily drove Linux back in the early 2000s. I have spent more time in sysctl.conf testing tunables than I have spent with my family, so it seems. 1. My capture card doesn't work reliably in any distro. I'm not a gamer so I can't use a cheap and ubiquitous USB V4L card, I capture retro computing screens at weird resolutions a…

Use kdeconnect. It is a universal app and works seamlessly

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Post by anentropic »

Outlook is so bad at email

Just utterly basic fundamental stuff that was working forever in other clients, like quoting replied text

Everyone at work has to resort to farcical formatting tricks, the email chain ends up a series of people saying like "I added my comments in green bold below", "my comments in blue italic" like it's a Word document instead of a message thread

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Post by rafaelmn »

scq wrote: post #282
rafaelmn wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just general polish. Like I was daily driving fedora last year and : - fractional scaling did not work in Gnome with Wayland for X11 Apps - I still cannot use my LG C4 as a monitor in full capacity because AMD on Linux does not support HDMI 2.1 - Screen sharing was very buggy - in Slack especially - it would constantly crash the slack app during calls, ditto for camera, but even in Google meet and Chrome I've ha…

- Fractional scaling: That's because X11 itself does not support it. Many older Windows apps also have problems with fractional scaling. - HDMI 2.1: The HDMI Forum blocked it, as they don't want the details of HDMI 2.1 publically available. If you can, use DisplayPort, which is an actual open standard, and is better anyway. Nvidia works because they implemented it in closed-source firmware instead. https://www.phoron…

> That's because X11 itself does not support it.

Strangely enough Plasma was able to handle this regardless (guess it was misreporting the resolution to X11 app or something like that to make it work ?) it was a Gnome/Wayland thing.

DisplayPort isn't an option - the TV only has HDMI in and converters suck (they crash constantly, even the expensive ones)

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Post by tantalor »

resource_waste wrote: post #296
plaidfuji wrote: post #287

Surprised there’s no mention of Google Workspace here. I’ve been using Workspace exclusively for probably 5 years now. It’s obviously faster to open, the interface has remained clean and simple, and they’ve steadily closed the feature gap with Word, Excel and PPT. The only major gap remaining, IMO, is on Sheets - performance as sheets get large or have lots of formulas, and plotting . If Google would take that produc…

I generally agree with what you said. My only issue is that it cannot handle lots of data. Both Docs and Sheets have caused limitations here. Docs gets unusably slow. Sheets just wont work.

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/9702507?hl=en

> You can access, analyze, visualize, and share billions of rows of data from your spreadsheet with Connected Sheets, the new BigQuery data connector.

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Post by windward »

jajko wrote: post #230
vjk800 wrote: post #192

I use Office software at work daily and I don't understand how that piece of shit can be so fucking slow. It's a serious productivity sink too; I often procrastinate small tasks just because I know half of the time doing it is spent waiting for various part of the office to load and that is somehow very stressful. I realise it is not a huge amount of time per se, but the psychological effect of the piece of crap stop…

If only slow... it has tons of accepted bugs and nobody seems to care. Yesterday I was using Outlook 365, there was one URL in one of the emails and I needed to find other emails containing it. Trivial and one of main use cases, right. Put URL in search box, 0 finds (including email I just copy&pasted it from). Mkay, maybe non-alphanumeric chars are messing with some internal regex or similar, stripped those into bar…

Only half a century after the creation of grep
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