Fine with me. If 100% of my RAM isn't in use at all times for low priority speculative cache, then it's not doing what I want. So long as it frees up the RAM instantly the moment anything actually requests it.
Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
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Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's an old quote about "why would I pay to have the code written more efficiently when processors are constantly getting faster and harddrives are constantly getting bigger?" that always comes to mind about MS software. I don't know the validity of that quote to be any more accurate than the 640k memory one, but it always just had the feel of authenticity by everything you see as circumstantial evidence
The underlying issue is MS software is running on customer machines so it’s not part of their bottom line. They have little incentive to care as long as it’s not so slow their monopoly breaks.
Additionally, I suspect there's 4 decades of legacy backward compatibility hacks that doing anything intelligent to help UX is impossible. It might break some peanut butter factory in Indiana that is paying for support.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#43Fucken genius. Fix the problem? No way, Jose; We’ll move the problem somewhere else. I would like to know how we got to a place where any application taking more than 0.5 seconds to start is acceptable in any way . I have text editors which have visible input lag, even to my untrained eye. How in the HELL does that even happen? All of you hustlers out there making story cards and calculating velocity: stop doing this…
Given that Office ran on my 486 and Word and Excel did everything back then that I still need them to do today, a slow startup time on modern hardware is ridiculous. Office should be modular with a lean core and extensions for those who need them.
I wish libreoffice was better. I've tried replacing office with it and every time it has the weirdest stuff going on.
UI is clunky, importing/exporting office made docs is glitchy, and I've even run into actions that don't get pushed to the undo stack.
I know this stuff always gets slowly ironed out, and the devs are working really hard, but it's just a shame it's never been a viable alternative for so long.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#44Ah, the oldest trick in the book. Luckily, I'm sure that no on else will think to try this trick, and Windows will continue to load quickly.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#45I genuinely don't know if it was a bug or intentional behavior like TFA, but on the last win10 machine I used Edge would leave several of its background browser engine processes running indefinitely after the application was closed. Seems like they're just happy to let their users make unwitting sacrifices for their convenience of their devs.
I have a vague recollection of that being related to embedded browsers in apps, and I think it was related to performance not child processes for unknown client apps.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#46That's is not a new idea. I think Office 97 had an accelerated startup that made windows take a little longer the boot but faster the start office.
It shouldn't be "an idea" at all. Profile the application, find the hotspots, understand what the performance limiter is, and fix it.
Granted, this is all Hard Work. I understand that. But it's the right thing to do.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#47Why on startup? Windows startup is already so painfully slow, especially compared to Apple silicon machines, and adding Office to it would only compound this problem. I think this problem can be avoided, while also still helping pre-load Office, if Windows just detects when resource utilization is low and loads Office in the background then.
I disagree, my Windows machine loads into the OS quicker from login than my Mac.
Probably a corporate machine vs personal desktop divide. My corporate windows laptop has so much security/keylogger/spyware crap that time to unlock is ridiculous.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#48Hmm, wonder if this could trigger another antitrust lawsuit?
How? Any other office suite or program could do the same thing.
Related, long ago I replaced the windows shell with hl.exe, so my computer booted straight into Half Life rather than explorer. With my one core system, it was a noticeable improvement.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm actually not sure why so many people are saying it's slow. For me login screen pops up maybe a few seconds from the bios, then everything is fully loaded after I enter my password.
If you measured with a stop watch I'm sure it would take more than 2 seconds but to be accurate it is perceptibly brief whereas others startup is perceptibly to them slow. Why? When fast startup is enabled shutting down does a reboot and then a hibernate so that it can wake up from hibernate when you start up but with the same effect as a fresh start. This is generally much faster than a full startup. This should and…
Oh, I didn't even know fastboot was a thing. That's pretty clever.
Does it still need to be disabled if you're dualbooting and not interacting with the windows partition?
And yeah, I have a desktop computer. I bet hardware failure rates are much higher in laptops. All good points.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#50Between Office's increasingly bloated size, slow booting and super annoying CoPilot icon right where I'm working (which still can't be turned off in OneNote) - I'm on the edge of dumping Office. I pretty much only use OneNote and a little OneDrive (3% of the included storage plan) to sync files between machines and I run Word and Powerpoint less than a dozen times a year combined.
Even as a paying customer, all the Office apps and services are now so aggressively pushy it's gone beyond "Rude", is now passing "Annoying" and accelerating toward "Yeah, I can't do this." I just want to ask Satya "How much more do I have to pay you to simply STFU and let me NOT use (and not even know about) services I already pay for but don't need?"
I bought three 12 month Office subs for $49 each on a black Friday blow-out three years ago. The last one will expire in January and if it doesn't get better, I'll be ending my 30 year Office relationship. I'll probably go to Libre Office and replace OneDrive cloud storage with SyncThing + my own server. I'd be fine to keep paying $50 a year for the 5% of Office I actually use - but only if I can use the exact Office I had around three years ago before it was so annoying.