This is probably the biggest car news in a long time
It's horrifying. Many sci Fi movies have shown why self driving cars are a nightmare.
Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
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#382To me, it looks as if Toyota is hedging their bets. Toyota has made public statements about their view of autonomous vehicle research. Their publicly stated belief is that active safety is their focus. Things like collision avoidance, and mitigation.
On the other hand, Waymo has been at it for about 15 years. The Toyota people are smart enough to know they can't catch up in full autonomy within the next two or three product generations of vehicles.
For their part, Waymo is looking for more vehicle platforms.
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Explain how a car with a human driver will be cheaper or have price parity with a car that requires no paid human driver. The driver is the most expensive part of every ride. And that's before tip.
A Waymo has something like $100k of sensors and other hardware on top of the cost of the vehicle. That cost will almost certainly come down, but at the moment it is cheaper to just pay a human to drive a car with $0 of AV hardware.
Yeah, manufactured goods aren't exactly known to increase in price as production scales. This is a very temporary anomaly. Cars with drivers are on the precipice of becoming extinct, save for specialty needs and the wealthy.
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China processes ~90% of rare earth raw materials into actual rare earths
only because nobody else bothered to build processing plants for the low demand minerals. it is trivial to build and these minerals can be found everywhere
You are delusional if you think it's trivial.
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> If every car on the road was synced then they could drive more closely to each other and at much faster speeds. This would optimize road space, decrease congestion, and reduce transit times. So like a train?
Yeah, but the train goes from my house to my destination. Not 10-20 minutes away from my house and 10-20 minutes away from my destination.
Fair enough. But keep in mind cars only solve this last mile problem when there's high throughput roads connecting all possible trip starts / destinations. In American we have this infrastructure (at a great cost in city design and tax payers dollars), but cities in many other countries don't have this and don't want it either.
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#386Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet
Aren't now the european manufacturers pulling back from full electrification and into hybridization? Hopefully we'll get hydrogen powered cars at some point.
Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment
#387Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet
Aren't now the european manufacturers pulling back from full electrification and into hybridization? Hopefully we'll get hydrogen powered cars at some point.
we will not
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Just yesterday in the coffee shop the person next to me was having a conversation about his buyer's remorse over recently purchasing a full EV instead of a hybrid or plug-in hybrid. It sounded like he hadn't anticipated how much of a hassle it is to charge on road trips. Something about having to carefully plan around the locations of fast charge stations, and it really being a drag when you're just trying to get out…
This is only a problem for non-Teslas or vehicles that can't utilize the Tesla supercharger network. I don't think I have ever plugged into a supercharger more than 10/15 minutes.
Depends where you travel. If you like to ski in Vermont, you lose a lot of range to cold, and there aren’t a lot of superchargers.
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They have no other sustainable energy sources a d frankly I trust japanese engineering minds they can fix their nuclear designs
It's always been surprising to me that they don't have more geothermal power generation. Seems liked they should be well-positioned for that.
TBF Geothermal sounds a lot more complex on the economical side than other renewable sources.
Japan probably has the technology to deal with many of the downsides (additional sysmic risk, pollution, volcanic activity straight destroying the installation etc.) but it might not have the initial money nor a decent enough ROI to maintain the system.
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The ODD for drive pilot is so limited, I don’t think it’s really comparable. I have very little faith that their approach will scale to anything more than a traffic jam pilot gimmick. It’s fair to argue that FSD is limited as well but I believe their approach is much more scalable.
FSD is not approved to work on any street. Drive Pilot is approved for highway speeds in EU. Limitations is what the government allows.
It's not just speed, its things like requiring lead vehicles, only highways speeds in the far right lane (likely for localization), weather, etc. The approach drive pilot is taking, with their technical investment and sensor suite, will not scale to urban/suburban driving.
FSD, in the states, works on approximately every street, parking lot/garage, etc.