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Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by anigbrowl »

otterley wrote: post #304
lazide wrote: post #284

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Which takes guns. And back at square 1.

I don’t know that it takes guns. If we moved to, say, ranked-choice voting and a multi-party system, the more extreme elements of our country would probably be sidelined.

And if they feel sufficiently shut out of the political process they'll rely on their guns. If you think the US is immune from insurgent dynamics, please read more widely. I think you'd find it particularly worthwhile to look into the collapse of Yugoslavia, which also had a federal system.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by anigbrowl »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #408
projectazorian wrote: post #394

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> We need labor, there aren't enough spa management and pet groomer positions to build an economy upon. Is it your impression that spa management and pet care are the only working-class service jobs available? Most of the trades are categorized as service professions in the statistics. So is construction.

You're expecting that in the coming months the demand for master plumbers will double or something? Or are you saying that the existing demand is already so high that it can do more than provide some fraction of one percent of the jobs that our nation of 300-million-ish needs to have a strong economy? I think we both agree that one of us has unrealistic impressions of the big picture here. When we regularly here of l…

But why do you expect manufacturing to do that? It's just not as labor intensive as it used to be, and if there's a recession demand for manufactured goods falls, resulting in layoffs.

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Post by aweiland »

nebula8804 wrote: post #520
aweiland wrote: post #361

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An on shore competitor to JLCPCB would be amazing. I assume most of the work is automated as well.

You might as well watch the entire process of how JLCPCB works and then tell me if all of that can be "automated": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOoGyCso8s

That video is amazing. Thanks!

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by otterley »

rayiner wrote: post #418
andrewflnr wrote: post #149

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If it was only China being tariffed, instead of including all the allies we need to stand against China, you would start to have a point. If they were based on something other than a 1600s child king's understanding of trade balance, maybe focused on particular kinds of manufacturing, or even just explicitly based on morals instead of this fantasy of manufacturing returning to the US, you would have a point. But none…

That might all be true, but Trump is also the only one in decades to move the needle in the direction it needs to go. Even Obama was pushing us in the direction of even more free trade with TPP.

Perhaps so, but that doesn’t mean he’s free from criticism. It’s important not just to fix problems, but also make sure you don’t break other things that were previously working when you do. We don’t applaud the plumber who successfully unclogs a drain and then causes a catastrophic water leak in the fixture.

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Post by ceejayoz »

slashdev wrote: post #483
achandlerwhite wrote: post #441

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I wouldn’t say extremely critical of Trump. He brings half of it on himself. Simply reporting what he says and does that makes him look incompetent is not being particularly critical.

The media has been extremely critical of Trump. Sometimes deserved, sometimes not. But impossible to deny the bias.

The media is also extremely critical of shooting yourself in the face.

Is that bias? Or sensible?

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Post by anigbrowl »

elbasti wrote: post #523
SwamyM wrote: post #33

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Genuine question but how likely is that to happen? The media doesn't seem to be doing a good job articulating what the (likely) real world impact is going to be. I keep hearing how other countries are negotiating but when you look into the details, there is nothing of substance actually happening.

I asked a good friend that runs a multi-billion dollar CPG business that relies on China imports. His answer: > Almost guaranteed. > There are some categories (toys, pet stuff,computer accessories) where HUGE percentages of goods are made in china. Those shelves will be empty as soon as inventory runs out, which will be soon. > Shelves would get re-stocked once tariffs are removed and the ships start sailing again. >…

>GPG business

what does that mean

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Post by trhway »

iAMkenough wrote: post #403
trhway wrote: post #391

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The retailers need to start showing tariff charge as separate line. People have the right to to see what they voted for. Yesterday Trump frantically called Bezos when Bezos threatened to do it, and Bezos seems to have backed up (probably got some concession for that). Edit: it is also can be treated as a consumer right to know, by analogy with food labeling), what are the major components of the price they are paying…

Amazon considered it as a separate line, the White House called it un-American, Amazon stopped considering it.

>the White House called it un-American

If anything, what can be more American than making clear when and how much the government is taxing the people? It is like at the core of this nation’s founding.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Post by otterley »

anigbrowl wrote: post #531
otterley wrote: post #304

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I don’t know that it takes guns. If we moved to, say, ranked-choice voting and a multi-party system, the more extreme elements of our country would probably be sidelined.

And if they feel sufficiently shut out of the political process they'll rely on their guns. If you think the US is immune from insurgent dynamics, please read more widely. I think you'd find it particularly worthwhile to look into the collapse of Yugoslavia, which also had a federal system.

Well, we did have a civil war some time ago! But given the gross imbalance of military capability between the state and the citizen, I’m not worried today about a successful violent overthrow of the USA.

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Post by krapp »

sanderjd wrote: post #493
fnordpiglet wrote: post #460

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IMO, which isn’t worth a lot, it’ll go on as long as Trump refuses to eat crow. China hunkered down under extreme duress during COVID and emerged stable. We barely managed to survive much milder restrictions. And that was a global natural disaster of no one’s choosing. In this situation it’s all artificial, but it stokes the nationalism of literally every other country than America. The imperialism and condescension…

It definitely isn't better for America or the world. We had a "flatter more multipolar world" during the "long 19th century". Pax Americana is certainly subject to a lot of valid criticism, but it was an even bigger mess before that.

We had a flatter more multipolar world primarily run by the Church and imperialist absolute monarchies. There is no reason to assume a world not dominated by American imperialism but primarily made up of modern democracies and republics must revert to a 19th century status quo.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

anigbrowl wrote: post #529
fnordpiglet wrote: post #519

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The senate is less the party of Trump as they have to win state wide elections and Trump barely beat Harris. They also tend to have longer tenures that spans presidents. While he is ascendant he can command loyalty, but once his ship is sinking the rats will abandon him faster in the senate than the house. The house takes care of itself with its relatively rapid turnover, making incumbents more likely to stick by him…

We went through all this during his previous term. They GOP Senate had the perfect excuse to make a break with the past during the impeachment following January 6, all they had to do was huff and puff a bit and stand on the Constitution, and they could have moved on with their political lives. But they fielded a bunch of BS excuses and stood behind the guy who called a rally that resulted in the Congress being overru…

I think of Trump as a Sulla like figure - not the guy who ends the republic but who cracks the republic opening the door to someone more calculating - Julius Caesar.

The difference though is the Roman republic had a constitutional order that was implicit rather than explicit. The American constitution and bill of rights is very difficult to change, and the order is fairly explicit. This was intentional with the assumption that even if a Sulla like figure emerges and consolidates power, it’ll revert over time to a liberal humanist republic. The anti federalists examine this in some depth and the scenario we are in was definitely considered carefully. It’s remarkable it took 249 years - but it was 430 years before Sulla seized the dictatorship by declaring emergency powers and cracked the constitutional order of Rome.

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