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Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Unpopular opinion: this isn't that big of a deal for most people.

Gdp, consumer index scores, all that stuff is a measure of how much poor people are willing to spend and how hard they're working. What really matters is, can these people buy a house? Can they buy eggs?

I don't know how many of them will be all that caught up that they can't buy some disposable flip-flops on Temu anymore. We need to focus more on how hard it is to live than how hard it is to import stuff.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Two interesting things I took away from that were first that the uncertainty and constant changes of mind by the President on the actual rates and lack of reliable communications were almost as harmful as the tariffs. Second, that there is a "snowball effect" in that you often have to pre-pay, so you take out more loans at a worse interest rate to make your order and then if because costs went up, you order fewer ite…

it's called strategic uncertainty :D

Hmm, I’ve been using the phrase a fox in the hen house. Seems apt?

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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It's pretty clear that reddit hurt him.

Not really, and I also use it, when I want the sort of things that I can find there. It’s just that most of the time I don’t. I am not really anti-Reddit, but I am very anti-noisy bots.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

#454

Unpopular opinion: this isn't that big of a deal for most people. Gdp, consumer index scores, all that stuff is a measure of how much poor people are willing to spend and how hard they're working. What really matters is, can these people buy a house? Can they buy eggs? I don't know how many of them will be all that caught up that they can't buy some disposable flip-flops on Temu anymore. We need to focus more on how…

Well, if their business relied on reselling those flipflops they won’t be buying many eggs.

Same if they were transporting them to the store, or delivering them to a home, or…

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

#455

Unpopular opinion: this isn't that big of a deal for most people. Gdp, consumer index scores, all that stuff is a measure of how much poor people are willing to spend and how hard they're working. What really matters is, can these people buy a house? Can they buy eggs? I don't know how many of them will be all that caught up that they can't buy some disposable flip-flops on Temu anymore. We need to focus more on how…

i agree. but i think most people are worried about second order effects (the impact of supply chains on the whole economy) rather than whether or not you can buy 3$ shoes on temu.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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To be fair, life's better when you don't have to rely on the guns. If you're willing to work together to make the pie bigger for everyone, peacefully, you get further. Which is why you have to occasionally knock the people willing to exploit the peaceful order, off.

Completely agree. But I think something lost in this is how much violence the "end of history" state of affairs increasingly relied on to keep that "peaceful" context in place - among the reasons Russia walked into the Ukraine was that Russia considered the Ukraine to be its buffer against NATO, which it viewed as genuinely an existential threat. The Middle East has been in a state of war for 20 years now, the US dru…

A nit: "Ukraine" (not "the Ukraine).

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844

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I'm not pitching this as a moral crusade, but as a practical one. Authoritarianism is a cancer that invariably spreads and disrupts the global system. It is simply in our best interest to starve cancer whenever we find it and excise it if possible. If the goal of buying Russian hydrocarbons was to increase the economic stability of Russia and to foster capitalistic market systems in the country to prevent the rise of…

Are you ready to sign up and go fight in Ukraine or elsewhere and die to stop authoritarianism as a matter of practicality? It's not a very fair question to ask, I know, but I think we really need to make sure we are honest about what we're asking people to do. Cutting economic ties in these specific cases isn't enough to actually stop the bloodshed and bring about stability. There are practical limits to our willpow…

> Are you ready to sign up and go fight in Ukraine or elsewhere and die to stop authoritarianism as a matter of practicality?

Not necessarily, as I’m not directly threatened, but I’m more than happy to carve out a piece of my paycheck to give Ukrainians any and every piece of equipment they need to do it for me.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

#458

Unpopular opinion: this isn't that big of a deal for most people. Gdp, consumer index scores, all that stuff is a measure of how much poor people are willing to spend and how hard they're working. What really matters is, can these people buy a house? Can they buy eggs? I don't know how many of them will be all that caught up that they can't buy some disposable flip-flops on Temu anymore. We need to focus more on how…

These things are being talked about in the context of predicting a future recession, in which case it may be very difficult for people to afford housing and other essentials.

[^1]: Of course, the whole "eggs as an economic indicator" was far right propaganda to conflate the bird flu with the broader economy

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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Unpopular opinion: this isn't that big of a deal for most people. Gdp, consumer index scores, all that stuff is a measure of how much poor people are willing to spend and how hard they're working. What really matters is, can these people buy a house? Can they buy eggs? I don't know how many of them will be all that caught up that they can't buy some disposable flip-flops on Temu anymore. We need to focus more on how…

It's an unpopular opinion because it's wrong.

No single aspect of the economy exists in a vacuum. Tariffs and lower shipping volumes portend thousands of small businesses potentially going under, translating to many more thousands of people losing their jobs and incomes. This has many unforeseen knock-on effects in declining economic activity.

Re: Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35% next week

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It’s even farmers and growers - https://youtu.be/aCI9xlMrb1w Seeds sourced from China - which a lot are - have skyrocketed in price.

Maybe I am being foolishly optimistic, the section in the video (~ 4:50) where it is mentioned that some giant seed corporation is staying the course betting that this thing will blow over in a quarter or so actually gives me some hope ?

IMO, which isn’t worth a lot, it’ll go on as long as Trump refuses to eat crow. China hunkered down under extreme duress during COVID and emerged stable. We barely managed to survive much milder restrictions. And that was a global natural disaster of no one’s choosing. In this situation it’s all artificial, but it stokes the nationalism of literally every other country than America. The imperialism and condescension at work, the pure malice towards our allies and partners, it all works against America. China will never bend and nor do they need to or should they. In fact at this point it’s probably a point of national pride to maximize the embarrassment of Trump, and national strategy to push him into a corner hoping he lashes out more and further isolates America from its partners. This is an opportunity for China to break out of the corner America and its partners put it into and flip the roles. Once done, and Trump is neutered and America reduced, China will have a clear path to ascendancy as the primary global super power.

I’m actually not sure this is all bad. A flatter more multipolar world is probably better for everyone, including America. But I think it’ll be a tough time in our history and the people who voted for Trump will be the ones who bear the most pain for his delusional misunderstanding of the way the world actually is vs what he wishes it were.

But if I were to put $5 down, I’d wager this lasts until the GOP political fortunes have been decimated through their hubris and magical thinking and Trump is personally hung out to dry for his strategic blunder in launching a 195 front war.

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