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Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools
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#312If the goal of school is to develop children into young adults with good reasoning and analytical skills, a basic wholesome world and social model and some practical skills and basic physique, smartphones seem to contribute little and distract a lot from those aims.
My daughter brings her phone to school with her - If he bus doesn't show up, she can call and ask us to come drive her to school - If she wants to go somewhere after school, she can call us and let us know she won't be home at her normal time - If she forgot something at home, she can call and ask us to bring it - etc, etc, etc There's a ton of reasons for her to have her phone on her. Enough so that, when she gets p…
All problems you listed were solved differently before the age of smartphones.
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You're definitely wrong because I learned lots in school but university was completely useless.
What was taught in school over an entire semester usually was a single lecture in university. At least for the mathematics courses, where actually similar things were taught, just from drastically different perspectives.
If you're capable of university level mathematics then you're probably not the audience that school mathematics classes are most concerned about. It's unfortunate, but schools are trying to raise their average grades and your grades were likely to be good regardless.
Surely you had peers at school that found mathematics to be challenging, or even struggled?
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you think are the factors that caused this fall?
Some common themes in the conversation are neoliberal cost cutting, failed attempts at inclusion and immigration. * Finland is a gerontocracy and recent governments have made significant cuts to education and the general wellbeing of younger generations. * Modern schools are increasingly built like open plan offices with dozens of students crammed into "learning spaces" instead of traditional classrooms. This reduces…
> * Finland is a gerontocracy and recent governments have made significant cuts to education and the general wellbeing of younger generations.
Politically, isn't this the ultimate fate of most developed nations? I haven't yet see an answer to this. How do you deal financially with this? The obvious answer is for people to be in charge of their own late stage health but is that possible for the average minimum wage worker?
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Those rights can't be taken away... without existing legislation. There are many rights that can be taken away, freedom of movement for example in the case of prisoners, but you need laws in order to not make that taking away a crime itself. You can't just apprehend and throw someone in your basement because they stole something from you. Same thing with children's phones, a teacher can't just take away the phone bec…
Sure, I think this just looks a little alien from an American perspective because most of our rights are set up as explicit negatives to block the government from legislating them away, more than to prevent Joe or Jane Teacher from taking a phone. "Congress shall pass no law..." I guess the nordics don't have a common-law tradition and so never inhereted the in loco parentis doctrine that allows schools to take subst…
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#316I wonder how many people don't realize there are classrooms all over the United States where kids literally play on their smartphones and text all through class and don't pay any attention at all. They do F work and it gets graded on a curve up to a C. The teachers are powerless to do anything about it.
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#317Awesome, finally!
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the schools that offer students the ability to take university-level courses, students aren't "skipping" other classes. > Only during my studies, when the material actually became difficult, I started to be interested and engaged in the subject. Many schools solve this by having different difficulty-levels of courses. My school, in the US, had three.
Germany has different levels of schools. I was in the one for highest education, targeting a university degree.
Schools in the US often offer different tracks within the same school but still offer different difficulty levels within them, including university level courses.
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#319Lots of nitpicking in the comments. Personally I support this law. Some years ago Finland made some changes to their educational system, that resulted in highly improved outcomes. Looks like they're trying out a good idea here also.
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What is the point of school? Why do children have to spend 12 years of their lives learning basically nothing and coming out anything but well formed adults. So that every kid has a uniform and common base of knowledge that helps them understand the world around them, and enables them to go further by learning more or starting to work. With no mandatory schooling, most kids would be illiterate and ignorant. A lot o…
> antivaxers, flat earthers Generally people who went to school. > With no mandatory schooling, most kids would be illiterate and ignorant. School is not mandatory in a lot of countries. In the UK education is mandatory but school is not and educating kids out of school leads to much better results in my experience.
Were you home schooled, on what are you basing your statement?
I'm not in disagreement, I'm just curious, please elaborate.