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When you combine tabs, focus shifts to an input field, requiring extra action to dismiss or accept. That's the friction, even if you type nothing. Also in horizontal tab layout every square matters
>that's the friction It seems to be entirely preferential. If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. >every square matters If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone. that sounds like functionality deferred more to…
Having this whole functionality is entirely preferential, so?
> If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field.
It's not, you can have different commands/mouse gestures for different workflows with customizable defaults to avoid most of the friction
> Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release.
That's a bad, though universal (can say exactly the same thing on 100th release) excuse
> If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it.
Or close the browser. That's nonsense, why would I want absolute zero??? I want zero waste
> I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone
Gladly there are ways to get knowledge! You can start by measuring actual width instead of making up tiny numbers. And then go on estimate the % of users who have more tabs that fit the screen width - that's the number is anyones no waste will be helping
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I've been liking the new vertical tabs too.
How does it compare to sidebery? I use the vertical tabs on that and quite like it but only found them because of another feature, per container socks5 (one for local ip and a few to strategically placed cheap vps to override my network default mullvad vpn tunneling as needed)
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>that's the friction It seems to be entirely preferential. If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. >every square matters If you want zero real estate, you close the tab, optionally bookmarking it. I don't know if some 5 pixel strip really helps anyone. that sounds like functionality deferred more to…
> It seems to be entirely preferential Having this whole functionality is entirely preferential, so? > If you prefer naming tabs it's extra friction to access the input field. It's not, you can have different commands/mouse gestures for different workflows with customizable defaults to avoid most of the friction > Options are always nice, but you will rarely cover 100% user cases on a first release. That's a bad, tho…
Sure. No feature will please everyone and some may actively oppose a few individuals
That's why options to customize the experience is the best of both worlds. But focusing on solid defaults and then opening up with options seems to make sense.
>>That's a bad, though universal (can say exactly the same thing on 100th release) excuse
Okay. This feature had 2 updates thus far. As the kids say, "let them cook". I sure prefer an iterative release over even more delay on such a widely requested feature
> want zero waste
You need to define "waste" first. What does "zero waste" even mean in terms of UI real estate? These paradigms vary from culture to culture (e.g. Check out how utterly dense Japanese website UI is), and then person to person.
> You can start by measuring actual width instead of making up tiny numbers.
And you don't think the designers and engineers at Mozilla did this and simply interpret a different benchmark from you? I'm sure like the rest of the base UI the scaling is responsive and the size chosen balanced visual ease of perception, average user precision, and compactness.
>And then go on estimate the % of users who have more tabs that fit the screen width - that's the number is anyones no waste will be helping
Given reports in this comment section of people with 2000+ tabs and people apprehensive about more than a few tabs open, I hope you can imagine the challenge trying to accommodate such a range.
I also imagine the designers did that work already. If it fits what some quick research I did suggests, the average tab count maintained is on the lower side.
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In about:config, try looking for browser.tabs.dragDrop. The createGroup... and moveOverThresholdPercent flags control the group creation behavior during drag and drop. If anyone finds values that make it less likely to accidentally create groups while still allowing intentional grouping via drag and drop, I can channel these back to the team.
Is there a way to disable the creation of tab group by drag and drop altogether by tweaking these parameters ? Also I noticed another thing: drag and droping a tab on a folded tab group doesn't work. You have to unfold the tab group then you can drag and drop a tab into it. It would be great to allow drag and drop of a tab on a folded tab group and if dropped just put the tab at the end of the group, it would make th…
Wow, this is a fantastic feature that was heavily requested, and HN cannot stop being negative. Great job Mozilla. I was already using the awesome “Simple Tab Groups” extension for this but will look into switching.
It's more than a requested feature it was almost needed for power users.
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I think it was just stubbornness, pure and simple. Firefox actually had a feature like tab groups a long time ago. It was removed for "low usage" and ever since then they have been resisting reimplementing it. Anyways it still needs improvement but I am very happy to see this finally land. At work we have been moving everyone off of chrome after the manifest v3 shenanigans and the lack of tabs groups was a long stand…
This sums up my experience with everything Firefox. It's why it slowly fell behind in UX and stopped being my primary browser ages ago. I keep giving it a try every year, but the gap between FF and other browsers just keeps getting wider and wider. This is a nice small step, but FF has a long way to go to catchup.
I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…
That moves them out of sight, yet within easy reach. Psychologically it feels different from a group of bookmarks.