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Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#191

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One of the biggest tells.

For us habitual users of em-dashes, it is saddening to have to think twice about using them lest someone think we are using an LLM to write…

I too use em-dashes all the time, and semi-colons of course.

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#193

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Only AI enthusiasts know about Grok, and only some dedicated subset of fans are advocating for it. Meanwhile even my 97 year old grandfather heard about ChatGPT.

This. Only on HN does ChatGPT somehow fear losing customers to Grok. Until Grok works out how to market to my mother, or at least make my mother aware that it exists, taking ChatGPT customers ain't happening.

From another AI (whatever DuckDuckGo is using):

> As of early 2025, X (formerly Twitter) has approximately 586 million active monthly users. The platform continues to grow, with a significant portion of its user base located in the United States and Japan.

Whatever portion of those is active are surely aware of Grok.

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Only on HN does ChatGPT somehow fear losing customers to Grok. Until Grok works out how to market to my mother, or at least make my mother aware that it exists, taking ChatGPT customers ain't happening.

From another AI (whatever DuckDuckGo is using): > As of early 2025, X (formerly Twitter) has approximately 586 million active monthly users. The platform continues to grow, with a significant portion of its user base located in the United States and Japan. Whatever portion of those is active are surely aware of Grok.

That could be just an AI hallucination.

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#195
I feel like this has been going on for long before the most recent update. Especially when using voice chat, every freaking thing I said was responded to with “Great question! …” or “Oooh, that’s a good question”. No it’s not a “good” question, it’s just a normal follow up question I asked, stop trying to flatter me or make me feel smarter.

I’d be one thing if it saved that “praise” (I don’t need an LLM to praise me, I’m looking for the opposite) for when I did ask a good question but even “can you tell me about that?” (<- literally my response) would be met with “Ooh! Great question!”. No, just no.

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#196
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I enjoyed this example of sycophancy from Reddit: New ChatGPT just told me my literal "shit on a stick" business idea is genius and I should drop $30K to make it real https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1k920cg/new_chatgp... Here's the prompt: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1k920cg/comment/mp...

i'm surprised by the lack of sycophancy in o3 https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

Well the system prompt is still the same for both models, right?

Kinda points to people at OpenAI using o1/o3/o4 almost exclusively.

That's why nobody noticed how cringe 4o has become

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#198
That explains something happened to me recently and I felt that's strange.

I gave it a script that does some calculations based on some data. I asked what are the bottleneck/s in this code and it started by saying

"Good code, Now you are thinking like a real scientist"

And to be honest I felt something between flattered and offended.

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the biggest tells.

For us habitual users of em-dashes, it is saddening to have to think twice about using them lest someone think we are using an LLM to write…

Most keyboards don't have an em-dash key, so what do you expect?

Re: Sycophancy in GPT-4o

#200

In my experience, LLMs have always had a tendency towards sycophancy - it seems to be a fundamental weakness of training on human preference. This recent release just hit a breaking point where popular perception started taking note of just how bad it had become. My concern is that misalignment like this (or intentional mal-alignment) is inevitably going to happen again, and it might be more harmful and more subtle n…

> In my experience, LLMs have always had a tendency towards sycophancy

The very early ones (maybe GPT 3.0?) sure didn't. You'd show them they were wrong, and they'd say something that implied that OK maybe you were right, but they weren't so sure; or that their original mistake was your fault somehow.

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