Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

Post by kurthr » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 5:15 AM UTC

Suppafly wrote: post #384

AlotOfReading wrote: post #123

I'm not sure even Tesla unambiguously qualifies here. Looking at the NHTSA part 583 list for 2025 [0], none of the Tesla vehicles have a "US" content higher than 75% (which I think includes Canada?). The highest is the base Kia EV6 at 80%. This seems to be coming from the Kogod manufacturing index. That's a more qualitative ranking that attempts to deal with things like corporate structures rather than just origin li…

My immediate assumption was that Tesla lies and probably has more offshore content than most of their competitors.

Post by parineum » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 5:25 AM UTC

labster wrote: post #325

_heimdall wrote: post #291

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Based on the previous comment, it sounds like the fuzziness well predates Trump. Are you arguing that the fuzziness was built into the system previously to allow presidents to pick winners and losers in the auto industry? Do you know if there are clear examples of past presidents actually using that power?

The fuzziness was primarily left to bureaucrats making best guesses, without any particular agenda. Of course there would be some bureaucratic capture going on, but shame would still work. Systems work best with some sort of fuzzy logic, which is what courts and bureaucrats provide. Regulations are not supposed to be a suicide pact. What has changed here is that loyalty to the head of state is the primary determinant…

Post by selcuka » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 5:27 AM UTC

jongjong wrote: post #315

CoastalCoder wrote: post #311

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I'd argue that keeping Musk wealthy is contrary to the interests of most Americans.

I disagree. I agree that the system shouldn't be creating so many billionaires. It's a flaw in the system. But Musk is among the best of them IMO and his contrarian position makes him essential, even if you disagree with him and his politics. There needs to be opposing forces among the elite or else we're sure to walk down the path of totalitarianism. I generally agree with Musk's politics but I wouldn't want all bil…

Post by Sloowms » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 5:28 AM UTC

jdminhbg wrote: post #288

makeitdouble wrote: post #61

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When you say EU rules, I guess it's the GDPR part on having the user data stay in the EU? Otherwise I don't see any other rule that would ask the foreign company to move most of it's workforce and production capacity.

No, OP is referring to the fact that the companies that are big enough to be subject to the EU DSA's rules about platforms are all American. So any fines handed down for violations of the DSA are exclusively to American big tech firms. The rejoinder is that the rules apply to everyone, it just happens that the companies that are subject are American.

Post by mindslight » Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 5:30 AM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #298

mmooss wrote: post #274

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> in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive. > chiefly concerned with protecting the majority from the government. In fact, by their actions, they make th…

> From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive. The question is who the police are being deployed to protect, private citizens or the government itself. Ordinarily police are deployed to protect citizens from criminals, so it’s bad to attack the police. But the C…