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Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by MartinGAugustin »

Aerroon wrote: post #261
deredede wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue with bookmarks and history not being as useful as they could be? I think tabs are just the better user interface. It's not that I'm afraid I won't find the page in my history and bookmarks, it's that I don't want to have to do that because it's painful. History is full of irrelevant pages. Bookmarks make me lose…

I think an interesting feature might be tabs that turn into bookmarks automatically after a week/month of being open but not interacted with.

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Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by n8cpdx »

y33t wrote: post #254
bobajeff wrote: post #245

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I'm nobody. I loved panorama. It was basically Exposé but in a browser which allowed me to keep not just tabs but 'Windows' organized visually without taking up separate tasks in my actual task manager. This new feature (which I've already gotten to test), I can almost use the same way, though I'm wary of Mozilla yanking it away from me if I rely on it.

Personally I love the feature, but I really feel like window managers/desktop environments should be handling window tabs. Imagine your desktop handling all tabs across all programs the same exact way instead of being reimplemented differently for each program. You could window switch to Firefox with alt-tab, add a ctrl- to your key combo and cycle through tabs in that window. Or imagine typing the title of a tab in…

Windows 7 and IE introduced similar level of desktop integration with tab previews and tab navigation integrated into the taskbar.

On Mac, it seems that all the major applications are using the standard keyboard shortcuts for tab navigation and I don’t think that’s very different in practice to what you describe. I assume Windows is the same?

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by mattlondon »

canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

Likewise - very very rare for me to have more than 10 or so open.

I assume people who have many tabs open are the same sort of people who have 100s or 1000s of unread emails in their inbox too.

I was trying to help someone debug and issue at their desk the other day and they were a tab hoarder too. Literally 75% of the time spent debugging was them trying to find the right tab. I prefer to work with organized people (...who also read their emails!) - to me, someone with hundreds and hundreds of tabs open is a sign of someone who is easily distracted and disorganised and doesn't complete tasks before moving on to the next shiny thing.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by MartinGAugustin »

zackmorris wrote: post #110
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

Like garbage collection, closing tabs isn't a job that should have to be performed by humans. Browsers are basically designed wrong. Sort of like how after you learn about the write ahead log (WAL), you wonder how databases could have ever worked before. Or reducers, or Firebase, or anything like that. Browsers should record everything, including a cache of all data received or sent, so that the user can rewind to an…

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Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by dredmorbius »

louky wrote: post #329
dredmorbius wrote: post #309

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What are you using to unload tabs? I've got to confess that my FF memory management is a run-as-needed-or-think-it-should-be-needed shell script which arbitrarily kills the top 10 Firefox processes by memory utilisation. If I'm leaving my desktop for a while I'll run that several times. Tree-style Tabs keeps the slots open, and can reload tabs as needed. I'd really like to have the capacity to unload all tabs other t…

I personally have been using "Auto Tab Discard" for years. It works perfectly for me, and you can set a group of tabs to not unload. It has a ton of options. I have ~320 tabs open right now, for multiple projects and only ~5 are loaded. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-disc...

Thanks!

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by onli »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #312
kryptn wrote: post #300

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I've been liking the new vertical tabs too.

How does it compare to sidebery? I use the vertical tabs on that and quite like it but only found them because of another feature, per container socks5 (one for local ip and a few to strategically placed cheap vps to override my network default mullvad vpn tunneling as needed)

Sideberry is still better since it's hierarchical, so tabs are nested. But maybe the tab groups change that? Now or in a future iteration?

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by DavidPiper »

eviks wrote: post #318
maccard wrote: post #278

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Mozilla can’t win. They implement a feature and this is one of the top comments from the community that should be its target audience,

Why would you expect a poor implementation of a feature available in competing browsers to have any chance of winning?

Do you use Firefox as a daily driver?

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by wickedsight »

kryptn wrote: post #300
hardwaresofton wrote: post #238

Wow, this is a fantastic feature that was heavily requested, and HN cannot stop being negative. Great job Mozilla. I was already using the awesome “Simple Tab Groups” extension for this but will look into switching.

I've been liking the new vertical tabs too.

I recently switched to Sidebery for this. Guess I'll have to do a comparison. I really enjoy Sidebery though, It has made my workflow at work much more organized.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by INTPenis »

canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

The internet as a knowledge base is a large part of my daily tasks. Both professionally and privately. Maybe because I'm a millennial, I grew up reading books but early realized that it's much easier to read websites and docs. So I'm kinda on the border between two generations, where I remember having tech books in my shelves, but last time I moved I got rid of most of my old tech books because I never opened them. I exclusively use the web these days.

Looking at my FF right now I have 7 tabs open from something I've been working on all week, and 3 more tabs open for something I'm doing just this morning. Soon I'll close those 3 tabs and return to the 7 to continue working.

And that's how it goes for me, every day, every week. 7 is a mild example. During more hectic periods I might be pulled away and end up having several groups of tabs, related to different tasks that I had to pause.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by ForOldHack »

I will now never know. I have used nightly for more than a decade. It was the only reason. To run a 64-bit os. They fixed multiple problems over night, multiple times. Many little tiny things that made it better, nicer and faster.

That all ended four days ago. Now nightly will use up all memory on a 4gb, 8gb, 16gb and my 64gb system. It's unusable everywhere. Since I have it installed everywhere, I backed off to an older ESR. It either crashes on hacker news or says I am posting too fast. ( I have never ever ever seen this error before 4 days ago, and it's on multiple platforms. )

I have had to abandon it and for some reason other apps that would crash, are now running. I went to Edge on my desktops, and was reminded why I hate it with a passion.

I use mostly Brave now, and a bit of Chrome, but chrome will not run in very low memory.

As of today, I am removing it from all systems. All. Best of luck but I'll see you in a year or two.

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