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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by achatham »

Retric wrote: post #32

Want I’d want to see is a focus on level 5 autonomous driving from day 1. (Edit: Even if the system is level 4 to start with.) Yes the current coverage area is limited, but if you live in one of those cities the coverage area is easily large enough to be useful. Oddly enough I think this is one of the few times when a subscription model makes sense. The current approach has a fallback call center which can give the c…

I think you may mean Level 4. The difference between 4 and 5 is that 5 doesn't have any territory/environmental constraints, but you said you don't mind those.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by delfinom »

rapind wrote: post #6
londons_explore wrote: post #3

Waymo has also partnered with a lot of the rest of the auto industry with little to show for it... I wonder if this time it'll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market.

> I wonder if this time it'll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market. Source? Not just another Elon "next year" promise though right?

I mean this time he may actually release it.

And anyone that survived or tries to sue due to massacres committes by self driving Teslas will be sent to the death camps in El Salvador for being domestic terrorists

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by klipt »

enahs-sf wrote: post #75
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

Tesla has minted a fortune on broken promises and vaporware. As someone who purchased FSD, would be glad to see them lose their shirts on this one.

Sadly the US is quite corrupt, so I wouldn't bet against the car company whose CEO has a close personal relationship with the US president.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by zetazzed »

Ok, I appreciate that timelines in this space are long. But the opening phrase:

"Toyota Motor Corporation (“Toyota”) and Waymo reached a preliminary agreement to explore a collaboration focused on accelerating the development..."

reads a bit like a parody of corporate speak about a project nowhere close to happening. Did they agree to deploy? Or reach an agreement to collaborate? No, that's too strong. They will EXPLORE collaborating on ACCELERATING development.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by princevegeta89 »

jes5199 wrote: post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Actually, we should also realize that they've been super wildly successful at getting people to move towards clean energy vehicles.

Prius is the world's highest selling Hybrid car, and it's been that for more than a decade now. This means Toyota has helped cut down emissions from consumer automobiles by a significant degree.

It's not the 1000 EVs out of the 100k vehicles that matter, but rather the 10k hybrid vehicles out of that same 100k pool, which literally produce double the MPG compared to ICE cars. It becomes obvious when we look at the total emissions generated by that pool of 100k cars.

If there's anyone to blame, I'd look at the luxury division - Mercedes, Audi and BMW (and also Genesis/Acura) - all late to the party, and still haven't been successful at meaningfully replacing the vehicles they would sell to their customers yet.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by achatham »

OJFord wrote: post #44
matt3210 wrote: post #30

If I can’t sleep while it drives me to work it’s not autonomous

That's what I want to, but I don't think it's really a fair complaint given that this has been reasonably well defined. What we both want is 'L5' (level five) autonomy, where the vehicle doesn't even need the ability to be manually driven necessarily. (L4 iirc is hands-off but someone in the driver's seat (which must therefore exist) in a fit state to take over if necessary - no sleeping on the way in, no drinking on…

What you're describing is L4. L4 is fully autonomous but with limitations on where/when it can operate. Level 5 is that but without restrictions.

Level 2 and 3 are the mostly-automated version, and they differ in how much notice they're supposed to provide and how much attention they require.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by porphyra »

enahs-sf wrote: post #75
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

Tesla has minted a fortune on broken promises and vaporware. As someone who purchased FSD, would be glad to see them lose their shirts on this one.

As someone who also purchased FSD, I was able to drive hundreds of kilometers without any disengagements even though my car is an older HW3 with 12.6. I fully believe that with some Waymo-like conservative route planning and teleoperator backup, they will be able to achieve their robotaxi goals this year.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by Angostura »

OJFord wrote: post #34
GloamingNiblets wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% intentional, they have been clear that their strategic direction is hybrids, not pure electric. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2024/03/03/bucking-in...

And they were way ahead on hybrids, at least from my perspective in the UK market.

every single minivan in London, it seems
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