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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

As far as I can tell, I cant disagree harder. Toyota has been making EXCELLENT design decisions and providing great value to consumers.

For most of America, EV'S and the associated infrastructure aren't QUITE there yet.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Toyota has delivered more batteries in cars than anyone but Tesla.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

#73
post #11

Waymo has also partnered with a lot of the rest of the auto industry with little to show for it... I wonder if this time it'll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market.

> little to show for it Wonder if there's any breakup clauses when the manufacturers want to do autonomy with other companies outside of Waymo and this is Alphabet casting a conflict-of-influence net across the industry, almost like a desperate man calling every divorce lawyer in the tristate area to deny his wife proper justice.

What other companies? Is anybody else even close to waymo?

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

This is 100% intentional, they have been clear that their strategic direction is hybrids, not pure electric. Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2024/03/03/bucking-in...

> have been clear

I disagree. They backed hydrogen / fuel cells for most of the years others were developing bevs.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

Tesla has minted a fortune on broken promises and vaporware. As someone who purchased FSD, would be glad to see them lose their shirts on this one.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Want I’d want to see is a focus on level 5 autonomous driving from day 1. (Edit: Even if the system is level 4 to start with.) Yes the current coverage area is limited, but if you live in one of those cities the coverage area is easily large enough to be useful. Oddly enough I think this is one of the few times when a subscription model makes sense. The current approach has a fallback call center which can give the c…

As someone who's blind I've made this argument in the passed. I don't need 100% success as long as the failure mode won't injure me. Seven years ago I would have loved a car that would have driven me to and from work 95% of the time, and refused to take the other 5% if the weather forecast was bad enough that the self driving wouldn't work correctly. I'd also be fine with the car pulling over to the side of the road if it got confused and waiting for someone remote to take control and drive until it was out of the situation where autonomous driving wouldn't work. Given the fact that I now work remote and am married to someone who drives if you told me I could by a car with autonomous driving for $50000 now I don't think I'd do it. I'm interested to see just how good autonomous driving gets and if it drives down the prices of taxi services. At this point I'd rather see an autonomous taxi service offering lower rates then Uber instead of buying my own car with autonomous driving.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

#77
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Can you describe what leverage Uber actually has in those partnerships? That's a deal of convenience for Waymo, trading a bit of margin for some velocity. It (or similar deals) are downright existential to Uber.

Uber probably has legal framework of operation, ability to quickly obtain permits for autonomous testing, local political connections, special ability to gather roads, traffic, mapping data and overall support with rapid deployment. For waymo to get into a new location/country, establish their presence, navigate the political and regulatory landscape etc will take very long and many difficult hurdles.

Waymo has papa Google, Google Maps already has location and traffic data in excess of Uber. They don't just randomly color traffic lines in Google maps.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

#78

Waymo has also partnered with a lot of the rest of the auto industry with little to show for it... I wonder if this time it'll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market.

> now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market. What year is it?!

Stardates will be a thing before FSD actually is released as originally advertised.

I used to own a Model 3 with FSD, so before anyone comes in with "you simply haven't tried it", no, I have, and I stand by what I said.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Waymo has also partnered with a lot of the rest of the auto industry with little to show for it... I wonder if this time it'll be different now it looks like Tesla might finally get self driving to the mass market.

I think part of Elon's strategy is announcing being around the corner in order to scare off competitors and investment into alternatives because, well, Telsa is already so far ahead.

This is why Tesla's "actuals" are delivered so many years after the dates of the initial pronouncements (for those few things that have so far been delivered at all).

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

They have some of the best hybrids on the market and EVs in general are not ready for prime time yet. Their plug-in hybrids are in the current sweet spot and are very popular. They have plenty of time to catch up once infrastructure and power density are there for EVs. This is with a US context.
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