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Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by guerby »

about:config and then set browser.tabs.groups.enabled

I'm really puzzled by the UI, you have to drag and drop a tab onto another to create a tab group.

This really sucks because now when you want to move a tab you have to be pixel and timing exact to not create a tab group. Most of the time when moving a tab I end up creating a tab group then having to right click and then "ungroup tab"

Also you cannot move tab group at all

Why not just having a right click or icon to create a tab group?

Anyone else being annoyed?

Note: I'm using vertical tabs option in firefox settings

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

#112

Post by conceptualspace »

one reason tab management is so important is because bookmark management is so bad.

ive tried to solve for this with a thumbnail view for bookmarks on the new tab page:

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/yet-another-speed-d...

it uses open graph images so the previews are more useful on a wider range of pages than simple favicons like the native new tab page.

any suggestions or feedback welcome, ama!

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

breput wrote: post #14
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I am not a tab hoarder, but I have been using Tab Groups as a way to collect (and hide) YouTube videos for future viewing. I had previously used the Pin Tab feature to collapse them, but Tab Groups allows you to have essentially unlimited videos that only take up a single favicon-sized space when collapsed.

As someone who somewhat does the same thing, I'd recommend just adding the youtube videos to playlists so that you can just close out the youtube tab and only keep the one with your playlist up. Like I slap all my interesting podcasts, tech videos, hobby related videos, conference talks etc in a "currently watching" playlist and it greatly cuts down on decision fatigue to just have it all thrown into a queue that you can just sit down and consume (with occasional reordering).

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by 2mlWQbCK »

canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I used to have 200+ tabs open all the time, but it's just noise. Now I close tabs asap. If the page contents are of any interest I save the contents first using the Single File extension. If the page address is for some reason interesting (that is far less common) I save a bookmark. I started having the bookmarks bar enabled again and it pretty much serves the purpose that the tabs used to serve for me, but in a more organized way.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

#115

Post by codethief »

alabastervlog wrote: post #7
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I'm not consistent about going back and closing tabs. By the time I've browsed on a couple topics, I have enough tabs open I can't see the titles any more, and it's downhill from there. Some of them, I think "this is good, I'll come back to this when I get a chance" so I don't want to mass-close them. Eventually I'm opening new tabs of tabs I already have open, because it's faster than finding the original. Every now…

I used to be the same and it drove me nuts. Eventually I looked for a solution and ended up installing Limit Tabs[0] to limit the number of my tabs[1] to 10-15. I couldn't be happier!

[0]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rudolf-fernan...

[1]: On my desktop. Unfortunately, the extension is not available for Firefox for Android, so on mobile I tell Firefox to discard tabs that I haven't used for a day.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

#116

Post by em-bee »

canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

the problem is that bookmarks are to static.

remember where the term "bookmark" came from. a strip of paper or string that you lay in the pages of a book to remember where you are reading. when you read further you move the bookmark to the new position.

browser bookmarks don't do that. instead every time you remember a location you get a new bookmark. and then you have to go around and search for the old one to remove it.

a tab always remembers the latest state and gets updated automatically as i move forward or backward. the state is also cached as long as the tab is open. that matters for hackernews for example which tells me which messages are new since i last loaded the page. when i go to a tab the page doesn't get automatically reloaded so i get back to the old state, whereas with bookmarks that state is lost.

if bookmarks could keep the state (that means permanently cache the old version until i force a reload) and allow me to update them when that state changes while using the page, then i could use them instead of tabs.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by jeltz »

zackmorris wrote: post #110
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

Like garbage collection, closing tabs isn't a job that should have to be performed by humans. Browsers are basically designed wrong. Sort of like how after you learn about the write ahead log (WAL), you wonder how databases could have ever worked before. Or reducers, or Firebase, or anything like that. Browsers should record everything, including a cache of all data received or sent, so that the user can rewind to an…

I am not sure if your proposed solution is the right one or not but you are certainly asking the right questions. What is wrong with browsers?

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by eviks »

canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

Tabs can be better than bookmarks for "project"/"workspace" type groups because they preserve (and maintain) actual working order of pages in the same primary browser interface. Bookmarks require a separate one and are not synced to the actual working order

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by jeltz »

alanbernstein wrote: post #22
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

Mainly because the interfaces for tabs, bookmarks, and history are all quite disparate instead of being unified like they should be. None of them are good , but the interface for tabs is more manageable.

The UX for bokmarks is terrible in Firefox, almost useless fir ny needs.

Re: Firefox tab groups are here

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Post by LTL_FTC »

alabastervlog wrote: post #7
canadianwriter wrote: post #3

I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…

I'm not consistent about going back and closing tabs. By the time I've browsed on a couple topics, I have enough tabs open I can't see the titles any more, and it's downhill from there. Some of them, I think "this is good, I'll come back to this when I get a chance" so I don't want to mass-close them. Eventually I'm opening new tabs of tabs I already have open, because it's faster than finding the original. Every now…

Any one else favorite hackernews articles knowing they will never actually take the time to go back and read them and their comments? I feel like this is not too dissimilar to hoarding your tabs there. Tsundoku for the digital world.
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