Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by g-garron » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 9:52 PM UTC

Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd
mailman.archlinux.org

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

#2

Post by tungstentim » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:09 PM UTC

The link is to a proposal, rather than an announcement, but the replies seem very positive, which bodes well.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by Ralith » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:24 PM UTC

I've been running systemd on my computers for a few months now, and it's great. Dramatically accelerates my boot times, easy to configure, and easy to use. The only problem I've ever had is when a daemon doesn't include a systemd unit file, and I imagine official migration will include resolving all the remaining cases of that.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by JoshTriplett » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:25 PM UTC

Ralith wrote: post #3

I've been running systemd on my computers for a few months now, and it's great. Dramatically accelerates my boot times, easy to configure, and easy to use. The only problem I've ever had is when a daemon doesn't include a systemd unit file, and I imagine official migration will include resolving all the remaining cases of that.

systemd supports standard init scripts as well, allowing an incremental migration.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by throwaway54-762 » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:49 PM UTC

Here's the (much more readable) mailing list in gmane: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.devel

Currently (Friday 3:48 Pacific time), this thread is at the top.

Edit: Lots of +1s in the early thread messages; some elaboration surrounding migration issues in later emails.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by vhf » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:50 PM UTC

tungstentim wrote: post #2

The link is to a proposal, rather than an announcement, but the replies seem very positive, which bodes well.

A proposal followed by a discussion without any opposition to the proposal, and then a decision.

Announcement will surely be made shortly :)

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by cies » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:51 PM UTC

see here the discussion `systemd vs upstart` (the default on ubuntu):

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pr...

and here the design docs of systemd:

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html

overall i think systemd is a much better implementation toward the same goal. some distros have already switched from upstart to it, not saying that upstart is not an extremely popular choice as well.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by bct » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:58 PM UTC

It's too bad that opposition to changes like this is often expressed so trollishly. There's a real tradeoff here (of simplicity and of portability) that gets glossed over.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by adestefan » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 11:07 PM UTC

bct wrote: post #8

It's too bad that opposition to changes like this is often expressed so trollishly. There's a real tradeoff here (of simplicity and of portability) that gets glossed over.

The trade off isn't simplicity it's familiarity. The shell based init system is a stuningly complex series of shell scripts that keep implementing the same basic functionality over and over.

Re: Arch Linux to migrate to Systemd

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Post by adestefan » Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 11:10 PM UTC

Ralith wrote: post #3

I've been running systemd on my computers for a few months now, and it's great. Dramatically accelerates my boot times, easy to configure, and easy to use. The only problem I've ever had is when a daemon doesn't include a systemd unit file, and I imagine official migration will include resolving all the remaining cases of that.

In most cases the needed file is so simple that it's an easy patch to send to the author or package maintainer.