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Post by fc417fc802 »

nineplay wrote: post #868
orwin wrote: post #711

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What did the US democratic party ever do that was considered too left wing? Not said or wishcast, what material thing did they implement that was too left wing on abortion? Theoretically, abortion in the US used to be extremely liberal (in the original meaning of the word liberal). Materially? No one wait week 22 for an abortion unless it's an emergency, considering the damage it does. The percentage of childbirth de…

> What did the US democratic party ever do that was considered too left wing? Jack shit probably but that doesn't mean right-leaning Democrats are going to vote for Bernie Sanders and cross their fingers that none of his proposals get enacted.

"But they never actually managed to accomplish those things they said they'd do that you don't like" is not a very convincing sales pitch.

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Post by lazyeye »

shadowgovt wrote: post #861
lazyeye wrote: post #852

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Or not hypothetically, the govt could just enforce the law as it stands. This appears to be what people voted for.

The people voted to lower the price of eggs. If the people had voted for this, the President's approval rating wouldn't be lower right now than it was the last time he was in office.

Naah...I think the majority of Americans are in opposition to the Dems on this. They see, for example, the establishment of Tren De Aragua in the US (under Biden's open border policy) as a bad thing and would like law enforcement to deal with it.

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Post by shadowgovt »

lazyeye wrote: post #872
shadowgovt wrote: post #861

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The people voted to lower the price of eggs. If the people had voted for this, the President's approval rating wouldn't be lower right now than it was the last time he was in office.

Naah...I think the majority of Americans are in opposition to the Dems on this. They see, for example, the establishment of Tren De Aragua in the US (under Biden's open border policy) as a bad thing and would like law enforcement to deal with it.

Interesting hypothesis, how do you account for the cratering approval rating? When we expect border crossings (legal and illegal) being vastly down to be reflected in favorable approval ratings if that's actually what people wanted?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

eptcyka wrote: post #785
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #588

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> When I voted for the leopard party I didn't think the leopards would eat the faces of people I like This isn't a good-faith interpretation of their comment. There are plenty of illegal immigrants with a criminal record. Trump's pitch was to deport them. There was also a pitch that strongly hinted at deporting basically anyone who isn't white, and I think this appealed to the racist fifth of Americans [1], but plent…

Presumably, to have a criminal record, the authorities would have to apprehend the individual in question. Why wouldn’t the individual be deported then and there, if they immigrated illegally?

Because that is not how the US criminal system operates. Being apprehended for a crime does not automatically trigger deportation. It requires Immigration and Customs Enforcement to take an interest and additional action.

Furthermore, there are entire states (like Colorado) which refuse, by law, to cooperate with ICE and hold people for ICE to pick up, even when ICE has decided to step in and deport them.

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Post by lazyeye »

shadowgovt wrote: post #873
lazyeye wrote: post #872

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Naah...I think the majority of Americans are in opposition to the Dems on this. They see, for example, the establishment of Tren De Aragua in the US (under Biden's open border policy) as a bad thing and would like law enforcement to deal with it.

Interesting hypothesis, how do you account for the cratering approval rating? When we expect border crossings (legal and illegal) being vastly down to be reflected in favorable approval ratings if that's actually what people wanted?

Media bias largely in terms of both polling but also ridiculously partisan coverage where absolutely everything, no matter what, is framed in a negative way with respect to Trump. How do you explain the very low Democrat approval ratings? Democrats have been very vocal and aggressive in their opposition to Trump.

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Post by remarkEon »

JackYoustra wrote: post #867
remarkEon wrote: post #859

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Well, if it were real people wouldn’t have voted for Trump. What you’ve presented is, like I keep saying, the most unconvincing tidbit of minor benefits. You seem totally uninterested in addressing the problem, that no one cares about this study and what it says because it’s such a tiny effect on the margins, utterly impossible to translate into daily life. I’ll keep making whatever claims I want, and you can keep ga…

> now I really won’t read the Mariel study spite driven willful ignorance is something that I didn't expect to find when starting this conversation. I'm mostly looking for you to retract your claim about how short-run supply shocks must obviously show up in wages and employment. EDIT: also nowhere does it require fiscal outlays for assimilation, the single biggest thing is expedited provision of work permits, which i…

>I'm mostly looking for you to retract your claim about how short-run supply shocks must obviously show up in wages and employment.

No.

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Post by shadowgovt »

lazyeye wrote: post #875
shadowgovt wrote: post #873

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Interesting hypothesis, how do you account for the cratering approval rating? When we expect border crossings (legal and illegal) being vastly down to be reflected in favorable approval ratings if that's actually what people wanted?

Media bias largely in terms of both polling but also ridiculously partisan coverage where absolutely everything, no matter what, is framed in a negative way with respect to Trump. How do you explain the very low Democrat approval ratings? Democrats have been very vocal and aggressive in their opposition to Trump.

Help me understand how deporting a 4-year-old cancer patient should be framed in a positive way. The executive has broad leeway regarding deportation process and priorities; help me understand how sending out his parents and sending him out with them is supposed to be interpreted and understood by the American people.

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Post by lazyeye »

shadowgovt wrote: post #877
lazyeye wrote: post #875

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media bias largely in terms of both polling but also ridiculously partisan coverage where absolutely everything, no matter what, is framed in a negative way with respect to Trump. How do you explain the very low Democrat approval ratings? Democrats have been very vocal and aggressive in their opposition to Trump.

Help me understand how deporting a 4-year-old cancer patient should be framed in a positive way. The executive has broad leeway regarding deportation process and priorities; help me understand how sending out his parents and sending him out with them is supposed to be interpreted and understood by the American people.

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Post by lazyeye »

shadowgovt wrote: post #877
lazyeye wrote: post #875

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media bias largely in terms of both polling but also ridiculously partisan coverage where absolutely everything, no matter what, is framed in a negative way with respect to Trump. How do you explain the very low Democrat approval ratings? Democrats have been very vocal and aggressive in their opposition to Trump.

Help me understand how deporting a 4-year-old cancer patient should be framed in a positive way. The executive has broad leeway regarding deportation process and priorities; help me understand how sending out his parents and sending him out with them is supposed to be interpreted and understood by the American people.

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Post by lazyeye »

shadowgovt wrote: post #877
lazyeye wrote: post #875

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media bias largely in terms of both polling but also ridiculously partisan coverage where absolutely everything, no matter what, is framed in a negative way with respect to Trump. How do you explain the very low Democrat approval ratings? Democrats have been very vocal and aggressive in their opposition to Trump.

Help me understand how deporting a 4-year-old cancer patient should be framed in a positive way. The executive has broad leeway regarding deportation process and priorities; help me understand how sending out his parents and sending him out with them is supposed to be interpreted and understood by the American people.

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