They just reported on TV it will be on again in 20min earliest (15:30 CEST)
Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems Spain lost 15GW of load, but is still running 10GW of load: https://transparency.entsoe.eu/load-domain/r2/totalLoadR2/sh... Would this suggest the grid hasn't snapped apart, or is it just not possible to tell from the data? Coal, pumped hydro, and nuclear generation all went to 0 around the same time, but presumably that's those sources being disconnected from the grid to balance demand? https://transparency…
They're definitely doing a black start: https://x.com/RedElectricaREE/status/1916818043235164267 We are beginning to recover power in the north and south of the peninsula, which is key to gradually addressing the electricity supply. This process involves the gradual energization of the transmission grid as the generating units are connected. I see load dropping to zero on that graph, or rather, load data disappears a…
Interesting, but in terms of load I think think the data may just be delayed by ~1 hour. Switching to UTC, to avoid timezone confusion, it's currently 13:10:
Last actual load value for Spain at 12:15: https://transparency.entsoe.eu/load-domain/r2/totalLoadR2/sh...
Last actual load value for France at 12:00: https://transparency.entsoe.eu/load-domain/r2/totalLoadR2/sh...
Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is literally the whistleblowers about cashless society have been warning everyone about for well over a decade now. Indeed but it stands to reason that this outage will last maybe a few hours until the grid has recovered. A nationwide full blackout is a scenario that's on a "once a quarter century" level, and the last one in 2006 was resolved after two hours. It's Europe, not the US - our grids operate on much…
As long as we’re throwing shade at EU vs US, I can’t remember the last time the US had a nationwide blackout, certainly not in my lifetime!
There's five different grids in North America (Eastern, Western, Texas, Alaska, Quebec) so something would have to go very wrong for a nationwide blackout.
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#345I'm going with: never attribute to malice what can be explained by ... an incredibly complex system that can fall over even if no-one's being stupid. I would want very strong evidence before I believe this is an attack. There is precedent for major power outages, a huge majority of which are not malicious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages I remember the day when the Swiss railway power networ…
Not many month ago the Italians trains was disrupted by a single nail into a cable: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italian-rail-services-d...
Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#346Mobile network is fully gone on the islands now — it was working until ~10 minutes ago.
Still working in mainland Portugal but it's getting slow, probably severely overloaded.
Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#347Is there a La Liga game on perhaps :)
Context https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43157259 / https://vercel.com/blog/update-on-spain-and-laliga-blocks-of...
OP I think is joking La Liga got the power turned off to protect their revenues.
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#348Madrid Mayor said
> If emergency calls go unanswered, go to the police and the fire stations in person
That's not a statement I expect to see in relation to a developed city
Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#349I'm going with: never attribute to malice what can be explained by ... an incredibly complex system that can fall over even if no-one's being stupid. I would want very strong evidence before I believe this is an attack. There is precedent for major power outages, a huge majority of which are not malicious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages I remember the day when the Swiss railway power networ…
> were one engine has a problem and the crew shut down the other one by mistake.
So frequent it even has its own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airliner_accidents_an...
Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're definitely doing a black start: https://x.com/RedElectricaREE/status/1916818043235164267 We are beginning to recover power in the north and south of the peninsula, which is key to gradually addressing the electricity supply. This process involves the gradual energization of the transmission grid as the generating units are connected. I see load dropping to zero on that graph, or rather, load data disappears a…
Interesting, but in terms of load I think think the data may just be delayed by ~1 hour. Switching to UTC, to avoid timezone confusion, it's currently 13:10: Last actual load value for Spain at 12:15: https://transparency.entsoe.eu/load-domain/r2/totalLoadR2/sh... Last actual load value for France at 12:00: https://transparency.entsoe.eu/load-domain/r2/totalLoadR2/sh...
It may also be a measurement artifact. Looking at the generation by type page,
https://transparency.entsoe.eu/generation/r2/actualGeneratio...
Everything dropped to zero except wind and solar, which took huge hits but not to zero. I expect those have been disconnected too, as they cannot transmit to the grid without enough thermal plant capacity being online, but if the measurement at some plants of how much they're generating doesn't take into account whether or not they were disconnected upstream they may still be reporting themselves as generating. You can't easily turn off a solar plant after all, just unplug it.
Either that, or they're measuring generation and load that's not on the grid at all.