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Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by nickjj »

Thaxll wrote: post #227
pmlnr wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me introduce you to the physical receipt block which is made of paper and can be filled up with a pen, and what is still often used in, for example, Christmas markets.

How do you open the cash register for change when power is out?

> How do you open the cash register for change when power is out?

I've only seen a few but I believe they have springs on the inside and roll on little wheels similar to how desk draws roll. Most can be opened with a key to trigger that event.

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Post by karohalik »

celso wrote: post #10

Portugal has no electricity as we speak. Funny enough telcos and 4G/5G are fine for now, I'm guessing batteries and diesel backups kicked in and are doing their job.

There is still no electricity, at least in my neighborhood in Lisbon. Less noise, more human voices outside. Time to meet some more neighbors I guess.

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Post by StefanBatory »

deeThrow94 wrote: post #45
atemerev wrote: post #38

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Parts of EU.

Ok...? Is there like more to this narrative or are we supposed to buy that russia just hates all of europe for being europe now? Whatever happened to the "rational actor" canard?

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Post by suracii »

croes wrote: post #122
benterix wrote: post #81

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Noth Koera doesn't have any beef with Europe. Whereas the Russian propaganda says quite shocking things about Europe every now and again, not to mention their previous prime minister that is suggesting nuking European cities on Twitter.

North Korea fight in Ukraine, so they could simply be hacking for hire

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Post by daveoc64 »

bilekas wrote: post #258
leereeves wrote: post #181

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I wonder if stores would be able to sell anything without power. My supermarket, for example, only has electronic cash registers. And no price tags.

> My supermarket, for example, only has electronic cash registers. That's insane to me, in the EU anyway it's not permitted to only accept electronic payments.. > Retailers cannot refuse cash payments unless both parties have agreed to use a different means of payment. Displaying a label or posters indicating that the retailer refuses payments in cash, or payments made in certain banknote denominations, is not enough…

>That's insane to me, in the EU anyway it's not permitted to only accept electronic payments..

That's not the case. There are individual laws in each country that govern this.

https://fullfact.org/online/UK-not-only-europe-country-legal...

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Post by guappa »

seydor wrote: post #213
pmlnr wrote: post #196

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Let me introduce you to the physical receipt block which is made of paper and can be filled up with a pen, and what is still often used in, for example, Christmas markets.

Many countries require receipts to be sent to the tax services instantly. In many cases a long enough power cut (days) would render all transactions illegal (And in many cases you cannot legally pay large amounts of money in cash, it has to be electronic)

Source?

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Post by postexitus »

netsharc wrote: post #173
pcardoso wrote: post #132

In Portugal here. Lost power about 1 hour ago. Reading the news while batteries last.

Amazing/curious that all the infrastructure to feed news to your phone still works. I can imagine a poorly-built systems would have some infrastructure without UPSes, and in all that chain of technology, there'll be an element or more without power. Not saying Spain/Portugal would necessarily be more prone to have poorly-built infrastructure, I assume the whole world runs on half-assery.

Turns out not everybody in the world are jokers.

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Post by martinald »

rcarmo wrote: post #59

Apparently a local grid overload near France and a cascading failure down the Spanish network, but radio and newspapers don’t agree on root cause. Of course there is a lot of noise. For instance, one reporter asked one of the government flunkies whether it could be a cyberattack and they turned his noncommittal “maybe, we don’t know” into “government says cyberattack may be ongoing”. Be careful of idiot reporters out…

Yes, something similar happened in the UK a while back. Full info here: https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/2020/01/9_...

Key points that started it were (you can see the chain of events in the doc):

2.4.1. At 16:52:33 on Friday 9 August 2019, a lightning strike caused a fault on the Eaton Socon – Wymondley 400kV line. This is not unusual and was rectified within 80 milliseconds (ms)

2.4.2. The fault affected the local distribution networks and approximately 150MW of distributed generation disconnected from the networks or ‘tripped off’ due to a safety mechanism known as vector shift protection

2.4.3. The voltage control system at the Hornsea 1 offshore wind farm did not respond to the impact of the fault on the transmission system as expected and became unstable. Hornsea 1 rapidly reduced its power generation or ‘deloaded’ from 799MW to 62MW (a reduction of 737MW).

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Post by pjc50 »

pmlnr wrote: post #191
belter wrote: post #185

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And this is a trial for how a Carrington event will look like.

You mean the part that anything above 130nm technology would be fried?

I don't think this is true, and I would like to see an explanation of how it might be that quantifies the effect: are we talking electric field strength or magnetic field strength? Modern parts are generally better at ESD than old ones, as well.
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