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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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As long as we’re throwing shade at EU vs US, I can’t remember the last time the US had a nationwide blackout, certainly not in my lifetime!

> As long as we’re throwing shade at EU vs US, I can’t remember the last time the US had a nationwide blackout, certainly not in my lifetime! Talking about "national" in the sense Spain (pop. 48M, 506,030 km²) is roughly equivalent to a few US states. A similarly (population/area) sized outage occurred a couple of decades ago: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003 North America is organized in re…

US nationwide would be the whole of Europe category, which, I don't believe had ever happened.

Texas, on the other hand, which is easily the size of a country...

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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I'm going with: never attribute to malice what can be explained by ... an incredibly complex system that can fall over even if no-one's being stupid. I would want very strong evidence before I believe this is an attack. There is precedent for major power outages, a huge majority of which are not malicious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages I remember the day when the Swiss railway power networ…

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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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The gas station I worked at used a paper bag when offline. Good, not great.

How did the pumps work when there was no power?

He said "offline" not "no power".

Also, fuel station can probably successfully run it's own backup power;)

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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I wonder if stores would be able to sell anything without power. My supermarket, for example, only has electronic cash registers. And no price tags.

Very good point that nowadays many stores rely on barcodes and product IDs to get prices, and don't label individual items... So even pen and paper to keep track of takings is no use since they can't even figure out prices if the system is down!

Valid point, but there must be a price at the location of the item in the store.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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If anything, it shows how little use there is for physical cash , only as emergency backup

"emergency backup" is a very strong, rational use, and should never be neglected.

You can use cash but it mostly does not work in case of big chains or stores. They need to have access to their SAP/ERP software...It is not about payment for a long time.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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> our grids operate on much, much stricter requirements and audits on resiliency, None of that changes the difficulty of a black start. If there is a full outage, it will take a while to get going.

Yes But honestly dark starts are the kind of boomer self-made problems that'll just have to work around Whoever built a solar grid inverter without the capacity for dark start needs a stern talking to

As in the German government and most of the political class...

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Apparently a local grid overload near France and a cascading failure down the Spanish network, but radio and newspapers don’t agree on root cause. Of course there is a lot of noise. For instance, one reporter asked one of the government flunkies whether it could be a cyberattack and they turned his noncommittal “maybe, we don’t know” into “government says cyberattack may be ongoing”. Be careful of idiot reporters out…

I was going to say something similar. I live in Portugal and I've heard a lot of panic/fear mongering, mainly from the techies in the co-working space I was working on and expats.

(apologies for singling out these specific groups of people - my point is that it might be worth to put down news sources like xitter, and read AP/translated local Portuguese news)

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