> "I currently don't have any internet service and just €15 in my wallet - I can't withdraw any money from the ATM," she added. from: https://news.sky.com/story/large-parts-of-spain-and-portugal... This is literally the whistleblowers about cashless society have been warning everyone about for well over a decade now.
Cash is not really relevant to this particular discussion. When the power is out one cannot pay with cash either - because the cash register is offline.
Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal
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#212I'm in Valencia and it is indeed happening here. A street parade under my windows continues nonetheless.
> A street parade under my windows continues nonetheless. I mean, what else are you gonna do without power?
Sex. At least that's what everyone believes
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cash is not really relevant to this particular discussion. When the power is out one cannot pay with cash either - because the cash register is offline.
Let me introduce you to the physical receipt block which is made of paper and can be filled up with a pen, and what is still often used in, for example, Christmas markets.
(And in many cases you cannot legally pay large amounts of money in cash, it has to be electronic)
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#214Apparently this spans more countries? Very strange. Possibly a cyberattack or sabotage? Growing up in Spain I've never experienced anything like this (not there at the moment, but friends have told me over WhatsApp).
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not sure pushing this down to the individual house is sensible. why not? Having distributed buffers ought to make the system more resilient in most cases wont it? Not to mention that these home level batteries can be used to smooth out power usage and lower peak loads. In fact, having an EV car act as this same battery would be an even more efficient use of resources.
Why not? Maybe because I'd rather not have to spend that much of my own capital on something I'd generally never use. I'd rather not spend the maintenance on that thing I'd generally never use. And finally, I'd rather not take up the space in my home with a large thing I'd generally never use. I'd prefer for the power coming to my house to just not go out. The grid operator can install batteries in places other than…
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mandate a battery backup. Instead of requiring the power suppliers to build and maintain reliable energy. That is just shifting someone else's mistake into being my responsibility.
People seem to love those expensive solutions though. I know so many people who invested in overly expensive battery storage systems for their solar. Power in Germany is expensive, but even with that expensive power many of those battery systems will never hit a positive ROI. But they’re still happy for the feeling of being „independent“. I’ll turn 26 in a few months. The first time I experienced a power outage in my…
I predict that home batteries will become a "no brainer" from a financial perspective (for anyone who has the upfront capital to purchase them) within the next 10 years.
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#217> "I currently don't have any internet service and just €15 in my wallet - I can't withdraw any money from the ATM," she added. from: https://news.sky.com/story/large-parts-of-spain-and-portugal... This is literally the whistleblowers about cashless society have been warning everyone about for well over a decade now.
I wonder if stores would be able to sell anything without power. My supermarket, for example, only has electronic cash registers. And no price tags.
The cash registers, though, had backup power, so the store could still take their money.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is literally the whistleblowers about cashless society have been warning everyone about for well over a decade now. Indeed but it stands to reason that this outage will last maybe a few hours until the grid has recovered. A nationwide full blackout is a scenario that's on a "once a quarter century" level, and the last one in 2006 was resolved after two hours. It's Europe, not the US - our grids operate on much…
> our grids operate on much, much stricter requirements and audits on resiliency, None of that changes the difficulty of a black start. If there is a full outage, it will take a while to get going.
But honestly dark starts are the kind of boomer self-made problems that'll just have to work around
Whoever built a solar grid inverter without the capacity for dark start needs a stern talking to
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#219> "I currently don't have any internet service and just €15 in my wallet - I can't withdraw any money from the ATM," she added. from: https://news.sky.com/story/large-parts-of-spain-and-portugal... This is literally the whistleblowers about cashless society have been warning everyone about for well over a decade now.
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#220Looking forward to the postmortem
Who would be responsible for writing the postmortem? Are they required to?