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Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by chii »

joha4270 wrote: post #126
ksec wrote: post #110

I saw it on twitter and had to go to BBC to make sure this isn't some joke or hoax. 2025 and we have National level power cuts? I know it may be rare but I think some day we really need to move or mandate every single flat / home / apartment / living places to have a 12 - 24 hours backup battery included. Something that has 10K+ Cycles, durable and non-flammable. Not only does it make sure our modern lives without su…

Most of the time, the grid is reliable. How much investment do we actually want to prevent a few hours of downtime once in a blue moon? And even if we do want to invest in large amount of grid storage (which we would need to anyway, if we want to transition to renewables), I'm not sure pushing this down to the individual house is sensible. Its a great way to limit economies of scale and make maintenance/inspection ha…

> I'm not sure pushing this down to the individual house is sensible.

why not? Having distributed buffers ought to make the system more resilient in most cases wont it? Not to mention that these home level batteries can be used to smooth out power usage and lower peak loads.

In fact, having an EV car act as this same battery would be an even more efficient use of resources.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by 0xTJ »

londons_explore wrote: post #130

Europe still has many megawatts of solar with inverters that disconnect when detecting any grid disruption. This is the absolute worst thing to do when there is a shortage of power - you immediately make the shortage worse and more grid disconnects. The real fix is a grid with second by second pricing based on system frequency, and every individual user allowed to set a daily 'spend cap' of euros/dollars, letting the…

This sounds more like a dystopian novel, where only the wealthy can afford stable power and everyone else is left without.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by sph »

sofixa wrote: post #111
aubanel wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

-> Power outage -> Wild guess that Russia has been doing it, 0 proof or even hint -> "This is a war of agression, we should respond" Are you suggesting to attack Russia, based on absolute thin air?

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As much as I am anti-Russia and against the invasion, this is absolutely not the place to start this flame war.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by littlestymaar »

londons_explore wrote: post #130

Europe still has many megawatts of solar with inverters that disconnect when detecting any grid disruption. This is the absolute worst thing to do when there is a shortage of power - you immediately make the shortage worse and more grid disconnects. The real fix is a grid with second by second pricing based on system frequency, and every individual user allowed to set a daily 'spend cap' of euros/dollars, letting the…

This comment is Dunning-Kruger effect in action…

Believe it or not, but maintaining an electricity grid is a massive undertaking, and the people in charge of it knows the topic much better than you do.

The problem isn't a market problem, it's a physics problem: having a synchronized grid of AC current with many producers over a wide area is a real challenge, even when the underlying issue is resolved it takes a lot of time to add the power plants (or renewable equivalent) to the grid because they must be synchronized.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by pezezin »

sofixa wrote: post #44
rcarmo wrote: post #8

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Spain and Portugal are quite big and with harsh terrain, I doubt anyone would bother invading in a traditional sense.

But we have been invaded countless times during our history, although the last time was Napoleon in 1808...

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by somelamer567 »

deeThrow94 wrote: post #45
atemerev wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parts of EU.

Ok...? Is there like more to this narrative or are we supposed to buy that russia just hates all of europe for being europe now? Whatever happened to the "rational actor" canard?

Some more-unhinged ultranationalist elements of Russian societies loathe Western culture and what they see as 'decadent' Western values on their culture. This is not new. Xenophobia and hate of the Other has a long and sordid history in Russia.

Moreover, they are unable to just live-and-let-live and actively go out of their way to make other peoples lives miserable. This is due to pervasive zero-sum thinking in Russian strategic thinking. They are fixated on the idea that in order for Russia to 'win', others must suffer and lose.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

deeThrow94 wrote: post #45
atemerev wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parts of EU.

Ok...? Is there like more to this narrative or are we supposed to buy that russia just hates all of europe for being europe now? Whatever happened to the "rational actor" canard?

I often have the same thoughts as you because, based on what I’ve seen, their actions aren’t strictly rational. For example, the damage to undersea cables will just be repaired, and it only end up angering everyone. Sometimes they also start local fires. I don’t really understand it either.

I do not really think that this needed to be a russians work tho. Spain and Portugal are really kinda far and it would be massively idiotic move even for them.

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