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Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #116

Apparently this spans more countries? Very strange. Possibly a cyberattack or sabotage? Growing up in Spain I've never experienced anything like this (not there at the moment, but friends have told me over WhatsApp).

Grids are widely interconnected. Problems on one grid can and do cascade to another.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Noth Koera doesn't have any beef with Europe. Whereas the Russian propaganda says quite shocking things about Europe every now and again, not to mention their previous prime minister that is suggesting nuking European cities on Twitter.

North Korea fight in Ukraine, so they could simply be hacking for hire

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #110

I saw it on twitter and had to go to BBC to make sure this isn't some joke or hoax. 2025 and we have National level power cuts? I know it may be rare but I think some day we really need to move or mandate every single flat / home / apartment / living places to have a 12 - 24 hours backup battery included. Something that has 10K+ Cycles, durable and non-flammable. Not only does it make sure our modern lives without su…

Sounds like an incredibly expensive solution to a problem that could be tackled more efficiently at a larger scale.

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Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #112
post #70

There's a map of realtime load flow here: https://gridradar.net/en/wide-area-monitoring-system (currently shows Spain and Portugal as 'offline')

Are you sure "offline" means that? Romania looks offline and when I checked their CNN they were reporting live from Spain about the blackout without mentioning Romania. Here: https://tv.garden/ro/F83BfecjsD6BjR

They were probably put offline as the network is rebalanced. That just means they (Romania) don’t contribute to the network.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #110

I saw it on twitter and had to go to BBC to make sure this isn't some joke or hoax. 2025 and we have National level power cuts? I know it may be rare but I think some day we really need to move or mandate every single flat / home / apartment / living places to have a 12 - 24 hours backup battery included. Something that has 10K+ Cycles, durable and non-flammable. Not only does it make sure our modern lives without su…

Most of the time, the grid is reliable. How much investment do we actually want to prevent a few hours of downtime once in a blue moon?

And even if we do want to invest in large amount of grid storage (which we would need to anyway, if we want to transition to renewables), I'm not sure pushing this down to the individual house is sensible. Its a great way to limit economies of scale and make maintenance/inspection harder.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #118
post #110

I saw it on twitter and had to go to BBC to make sure this isn't some joke or hoax. 2025 and we have National level power cuts? I know it may be rare but I think some day we really need to move or mandate every single flat / home / apartment / living places to have a 12 - 24 hours backup battery included. Something that has 10K+ Cycles, durable and non-flammable. Not only does it make sure our modern lives without su…

Sounds like an incredibly expensive solution to a problem that could be tackled more efficiently at a larger scale.

Didn't we used to pump steam around for heating and now homes have individual furnaces? If the cost for this were about the cost of a furnace I don't see why this wouldn't be viable.

I bought a generator for just this situation.

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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post #112
post #70

There's a map of realtime load flow here: https://gridradar.net/en/wide-area-monitoring-system (currently shows Spain and Portugal as 'offline')

Are you sure "offline" means that? Romania looks offline and when I checked their CNN they were reporting live from Spain about the blackout without mentioning Romania. Here: https://tv.garden/ro/F83BfecjsD6BjR

The map seems to be based on monitoring stations in the different locations, so yes - it's also possible that a station is offline for other reasons (maintenance, etc).

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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People are not voting this up to top because they're offline. This outage is quite massive.

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Spain has 49 million people, which is a lot, but not 80 million.

(plus 11 million of Portugal for a total of 60 million people in the Iberian Peninsula)

Re: Widespread power outage in Spain and Portugal

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Europe still has many megawatts of solar with inverters that disconnect when detecting any grid disruption.

This is the absolute worst thing to do when there is a shortage of power - you immediately make the shortage worse and more grid disconnects.

The real fix is a grid with second by second pricing based on system frequency, and every individual user allowed to set a daily 'spend cap' of euros/dollars, letting them choose how much they are willing to pay for reliability.

Such an market has a huge stabilizing effect on demand, meaning a major incident would probably only have fairly small impacts on system frequency and embedded solar wouldn't disconnect.

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