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I just want to code (2023)

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Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by nottorp »

Arisaka1 wrote: post #73
alkonaut wrote: post #59

Do many people hobby code with that entrepreneur mindset thing? Or sit down to play guitar thinking they want to make a hit and feeling bad if they just noodle some cover songs? What a miserable existence that must be. How do you get that way? Should we blame LinkedIn or what is it?

I will preface this by saying that, I decided to stop pursuing a job as a software developer because my 2 years of work experience mean nothing in the job market. Now that I ended up finding a job as a waiter (of all things) I finally enjoy learning new things again. Before, I would get chronically stressed researching the job market, gathering keywords from job openings, consuming Udemy courses at 2x speed, using AI…

Related: Historically, most "universal men" that greatly advanced science before the last 1-2 centuries were independently wealthy.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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cortesoft wrote: post #15

Am I the only coder who has never really felt the desire to "be my own boss" and get rich from coding? I was so against the idea, actually, that I avoided majoring in CS because I didn't want to ruin my favorite hobby by doing it professionally. It wasn't until a few years after I graduated with my philosophy degree and couldn't find a career that I decided to try writing code for a living. It's been great for me for…

> try to form my own startup and try to get rich

You don't have to do the kind of startup that is worshipped here on HN.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by 59nadir »

Clubber wrote: post #98
alkonaut wrote: post #59

Do many people hobby code with that entrepreneur mindset thing? Or sit down to play guitar thinking they want to make a hit and feeling bad if they just noodle some cover songs? What a miserable existence that must be. How do you get that way? Should we blame LinkedIn or what is it?

>Do many people hobby code with that entrepreneur mindset thing? Or sit down to play guitar thinking they want to make a hit and feeling bad if they just noodle some cover songs? I absolutely do. Money and power is a great motivator. I don't feel bad about any of it. I took my shot and continue to do so. >What a miserable existence that must be. How do you get that way? Should we blame LinkedIn or what is it? It was…

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Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by brulard »

999900000999 wrote: post #20
cortesoft wrote: post #15

Am I the only coder who has never really felt the desire to "be my own boss" and get rich from coding? I was so against the idea, actually, that I avoided majoring in CS because I didn't want to ruin my favorite hobby by doing it professionally. It wasn't until a few years after I graduated with my philosophy degree and couldn't find a career that I decided to try writing code for a living. It's been great for me for…

I like programming for my friends. The moment money gets involved it goes to shit. Idea guys want you to program for free , and offer you something like 1% vested over 5 years. They have you sign NDAs before you start working. The ideas are all really really stupid. I do have my ideas, but I’m also humble enough to just accept I’ll probably never make any real money. I self taught my way straight to 6 figures ( back…

First thing for wannabe enterpreneurs to learn is that allmost all your ideas are shit, and those that are good still need a lot of luck and the best execution to get somewhere. How many good ideas didn't work for first startups that came with it, but worked for someone else years later?

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by simpaticoder »

But shipping is in service of curiosity, though! There is nothing more fascinating than watching your work come into contact with real users. They will find error modes and use-cases you never imagined. If you code for fun and no-one ever sees it, then you'll never have this experience.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by mihaaly »

My angel and devil have reverse roles.

My angel wants me to do my side hustles and produce well made products. For the users and myself. But he sits behind me in the corner now with a bitter face. Neglected and left out.

The devil took over making me work for money, sell my hours for the high bidder, for current income. So I could provide for the three most precious ladies in the world: my wife and daughters.

The devil turned out to be not a powerful figure but a ruthless but pity, sweaty salesguy selling crap that I stuck in. Need to carry on with the technology mandated in the position, outdating as we speak, making me increasingly unemployable elsewhere without the 10 years hands on coding experience in 15 kinds of 2 - 7 years old technology, with leadership and mentor abilities of course as an essential trait required. Willing to be enthusiastically agile the hell out of it! For free pizza and fruit bowl!

No good path ahead.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by brulard »

cortesoft wrote: post #15

Am I the only coder who has never really felt the desire to "be my own boss" and get rich from coding? I was so against the idea, actually, that I avoided majoring in CS because I didn't want to ruin my favorite hobby by doing it professionally. It wasn't until a few years after I graduated with my philosophy degree and couldn't find a career that I decided to try writing code for a living. It's been great for me for…

I think a mindset to "get rich" or even worse "get rich quickly" is reallt bad for everyone even outside tech. There is certain amount of wealth you need so you need not to worry about food, shelter, kids, education, health, etc, that's all right, but beyond that it's just getting destructive. When do you feel "rich enough" already? $1M? $100M? If you don't worry about getting rich and just be ok with being mid-class, you can code whatever you like. Even without getting single dime from the hobby code you will learn a lot, you will get good with tools and quick to find solutions, easier to be employed and progress in your career. And I would believe happier in the long run.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by onion2k »

alkonaut wrote: post #59

Do many people hobby code with that entrepreneur mindset thing? Or sit down to play guitar thinking they want to make a hit and feeling bad if they just noodle some cover songs? What a miserable existence that must be. How do you get that way? Should we blame LinkedIn or what is it?

What a miserable existence that must be.

This ignores the fact that people are motivated by different things. If you're someone who thrives on the intrinsic 'do this for the love and joy of it' motivation then you should absolutely just write code for the fun of it. But not everyone is like that. Some people need an extrinsic motivator to drive them to do things - that's usually money, or praise, or a punishment for failing. There is nothing wrong with either approach. Neither is better.

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by leansensei »

yapyap wrote: post #78
Arisaka1 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will preface this by saying that, I decided to stop pursuing a job as a software developer because my 2 years of work experience mean nothing in the job market. Now that I ended up finding a job as a waiter (of all things) I finally enjoy learning new things again. Before, I would get chronically stressed researching the job market, gathering keywords from job openings, consuming Udemy courses at 2x speed, using AI…

In all seriousness, being able to pinpoint what is causing the possible stress / load and making choices to get rid of that is pretty amazing, props! Though as for the job market, I’m sure the AI hype will blow over but I don’t think it’ll remain silent for long, there’ll be another nonsensical trend within reach. Tech needs to keep innovating to keep investors happy and keep investing. That’s why it’s going this AI…

This is The Incredible Story of Deft... https://leanpub.com/deft

Re: I just want to code (2023)

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Post by codebastard »

sethammons wrote: post #87
zeroc8 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a cushion job. At least not when you are working on a huge codebase together with lots of other developers.

What other jobs have you had? I have been a photo lab assistant, a sign maker apprentice, a graphic designer, an insurance agent, a financial advisor, a construction worker and manual laborer, an inner-city math teacher, a software developer turned manager turn developer, now at the staff level. Software is the most cush job I have had. More money for less work. Better perks. Less stress overall. Constantly learning,…

That is from the viewpoint of the top 10% earners if you look at the european market or small / local business than you are looking at people doing the job of multiple departments and getting blamed if something does not work or for their salary if everything works.

And the salary is most of the time lower than anyone from the HR or Marketing department whose job if you are unlucky you also have to do because the tools they use are too complicated for them.

And if take the freelancer / remote work market into consideration everyone wants to pass all the work to the lowest bidder and some of them get lucky with skilled workers whose salary may be in the median considering their location after substracting the share of the middleman.

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