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Apparently Bluesky has one centralized service, the "relay"

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Re: Apparently Bluesky has one centralized service, the "relay"

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- the relay storage volume scales only with the backfill window for consumers that drop briefly - the bluesky pbc operated relays let you reconnect up to 24h later and not miss any events but that requires around 200gb of scratch disk space -- live tailing an rpi relay without dropping a connection can give you events from the full network span (ie the complete set of the firehose) without requiring any backfill wind…

> the relay storage volume scales only with the backfill window for consumers that drop briefly […] bluesky's feed gen post-dropping is about internal operation of their appview and not anything to do with network sync semantics Gotcha; thanks for the clarifications/corrections. Good to know that the firehose bandwidth is a lot less than I thought (though 20Mbps can certainly add up to some hefty pricetags depending…

the reference bluesky backend does just keep everything around but this idea has merit!! you're actually reinventing something like AppViewLite right now, which does throw away old data: https://github.com/alnkesq/AppViewLite

bluesky chooses to not refetch data from PDSes all the time so that the load for a PDS stays low (they like it to be possible to run on a home connection)

Re: Apparently Bluesky has one centralized service, the "relay"

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Yup. Mastodon has this issue. Can’t pick a big generic instance because it could get defederated for spam/being too normie; can’t pick a small instance because it could get defederated over some ridiculous drama [1][2]. Normal people (and even some not-normal people) don’t want to deal with that. “Instances” are a bad model. [1]: https://tootworld.social/@lilythelonelygirl/1143999833553083... [2]: https://tau-ceti.sp…

> Can’t pick a big generic instance because Nobody is going to defederate from mastodon.social, but otherwise, this is all true.

People can and have.

Re: Apparently Bluesky has one centralized service, the "relay"

#83
post #42

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Yup. Mastodon has this issue. Can’t pick a big generic instance because it could get defederated for spam/being too normie; can’t pick a small instance because it could get defederated over some ridiculous drama [1][2]. Normal people (and even some not-normal people) don’t want to deal with that. “Instances” are a bad model. [1]: https://tootworld.social/@lilythelonelygirl/1143999833553083... [2]: https://tau-ceti.sp…

> Can’t pick a big generic instance because Nobody is going to defederate from mastodon.social, but otherwise, this is all true.

It's very common to defederate from mastodon.social due to spam. It might be among the most de-federated instances.
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