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East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by sofixa »

paganel wrote: post #82
sofixa wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even bough January 6 and the associated political repression took place in early 2021 Repression for a coup attempt is the expected and wanted outcome. Also, please stop mixing the US, maybe Canada and UK with "the West". Political protests in France remain quite powerful, even if they haven't managed to force the government to go back on some long promised and long needed reforms (pensions).

> Political protests in France remain quite powerful, Political repression against the gilets jaunes was quite powerful, too, thanks for reminding me. It was surreal to be stopped in the middle of no-where, Pays de la Loire, by a bunch of gendarmes who were holding submachine guns, and all that because it was still gilets jaunes season (early autumn of 2019, if I remember right).

Heavy handed policing is not political repression.

And yes, police, gendermerie and the army patrolling in France are armed. There have been enough terrorists attacks in recent memory that this is the norm. None of those weapons were ever used against protestors of any kind ("less lethal" ones have been, sometimes to lethal or crippling effect to innocent bystanders or protesters).

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Post by mrtksn »

lazide wrote: post #107
mrtksn wrote: post #105

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That's disturbing. Instead of the govt. going after people we should enable people going after people. That's how it's done in real life and that's how we protect ourselves from arsholes in real life. That's why the police is only involved when some actual danger is present, you are not expected to just endure the constant harassment. IMHO someone being a complete cunt and you not having a recourse is also not accept…

Just wait until you see the difference in how the police treat someone between defending yourself and attacking someone in the UK. Note: Don’t try to defend yourself if you know what’s good for you.

The police is not always present and you don't have to attack anybody. For most cases it is good enough to be able to show credible defence. If you you are able to smack someone, they will get smacked if they insist and remember it even if afterwards you go through legal trouble(they will also get into legal trouble). Police and the courts cant un-smack them. As a result, people feeling causing trouble tread more carefully and don't cross a line unless they are fully motivated to go through all this.

Streets are significantly more polite than the online places and I think its because of the dynamic of it and not the people - they are the same people.

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Post by walterbell »

echelon_musk wrote: post #100
okeuro49 wrote: post #25

In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…

There was a CCC talk on the practices of the Stasi some years ago (I forget exactly which year). What stayed with me from the talk was that they had shown recovered Stasi photos of a young man's home where he had a wall dedicated to American iconography. The speaker stated that in the current era this would just be trivially collected from social media instead of needing to gain physical access to property. Edit: It…

Thanks for the pointer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS2oAOieECk

> Over the course of three years, I was able to research the archives left by East Germany's Stasi to look for visual memories of this notorious surveillance system and more recently I was invited to spend some weeks looking at the archive by the Czechoslovak StB. Illustrating with images I have found during my research, I would like to address the question why this material is still relevant – even 25 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

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Post by n4r9 »

roenxi wrote: post #93
bertylicious wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to add a source for your claim that protestors called for the death of Rowling.

That isn't the part of the argument that needs a source - pretty much everyone who is anyone in the public sphere seems to have death threats made against them and threats of extreme violence are actually pretty common at protests. Guillotines at protests are a reasonably common fixture for example [0]. That is the reason the standard needs to be someone actually doing something before the police get involved - peopl…

Maybe so, but it's still important to callenge okeuro49's claims. Extremist takes like that give off an air of believability despite being unsubstantiated. Relying solely on the common sense of the readership leads to situations where extremist views simply drown out the rest. It should not be seen as acceptable to present a wilfully distorted view of the facts.

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Post by sien »

ReptileMan wrote: post #86
sien wrote: post #4

It's remarkable how quickly Communism collapsed in Eastern Europe the moment Soviet support went. Despite decades of intense propaganda, killings of people in uprisings and the methods of Stasi as described in the article. Even with all that effort most people didn't believe in the regime. So it's hard to say whether the Stasi's tactics worked. Only people in the regimes like Ceausescu and Honecker actually thought p…

The communism collapsed because it was no longer possible to keep the knowledge of the 80s American supermarket hidden from them. That's it. If the communist regime provided what CCP does now - there would be absolutely no collapse.

And yet the CCP won't allow any elections.

If the CCP did, how many of them would get elected ?

Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)

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Post by saagarjha »

ttoinou wrote: post #89
EdwardDiego wrote: post #55

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Not wearing one implied a lack of care for others in your society. Wearing them imposed minimal burden, so why are you surprised when you signal that you don't care about others in your society, that they responded in kind?

You’re basically admitting you are one sided on this topic and couldn’t understand why this was the perfect tool to divide and conquer people

Have you considered that perhaps they understood exactly that, and maybe better than you?

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Post by EnPissant »

input_sh wrote: post #98
EnPissant wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/22/trans-activists-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14638683/Police-inv...

I haven't seen a single example of someone calling for death of JK Rowling specifically in any of those? The only references to her I see is a sign saying "go shit on a pile of Harry Potter books" and people chanting "fuck JK Rowling".

It's an example of police ignoring death threats. It references Harry Potter, and JK Rowling is the most common target of the "TERF" epithet. In any case, it supports the claim that the UK police selectively enforce speech laws.

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Post by soco »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #35

Divide and conquer. I'm pretty sure that the intelligence services nowadays condone the contemporary identity politics revolution because it distracts people (especially the youth) from the actual problems of society. I am old enough to remember the time where revolution meant actively fighting the oppressors or those in power, not posting on twitter about who has what between their pants and to which bathroom they s…

You are probably thinking of the Gerasimov doctrine (or so we call it) where they would use any non-military means to simply but effectively destabilize the enemy society. I'm sure you can see it at work all around us.
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