So much effort and resources only to produce Trabants and Wartburgs. You will know them by the cars they produce.
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#42In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…
UK has a two-tier justice system.
Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)
#43In the UK there is "social media intelligence", where AI systems scan the firehose of messages as they appear. [1] So people have been arrested for posting something online, even if nobody appears to have seen it, and they delete it shortly after. The policing is selective, depending on political view. For example, there were recently people with placards in London calling for the death of JK Rowling, which is de fac…
UK has a two-tier justice system.
In fairness to UK, pretty much every place has a two tier justice system.
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#44So much effort and resources only to produce Trabants and Wartburgs. You will know them by the cars they produce.
Well... ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzpx_jUUA0
East of Iron Courtain represents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxoiHfAFBo
Yes it was that bad it's not a parody. Lincoln was comparatively better which also explains weird sentiment towards "American cars" of people who were young in that era.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
In some European countries, if you apply to rent an apartment, the landlord can see you failed to pay 1 month rent several years ago. That's just a tiny example. Is this control and surveillance or ... democracy and freedom ?
And in the US, landlords can pull credit reports from private companies, and if the private company says you missed a credit card payment a year ago they'll reject you. If the private credit score company returns a wrong score because someone else has the same name as you and they mixed up some records, well, it's a private company, you have no recourse. Since it's not the government, but a for-profit private company…
Free speech does not include slander or lies. Like when credit score company makes a mistake.
Re: East German Stasi Tactics – Zersetzung (2021)
#46Article mirror: https://archive.is/d1rzC Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung 2014, https://www.ted.com/talks/hubertus_knabe_the_dark_secrets_of... > Hubertus Knabe studies the Stasi — and was spied on by them. He shares stunning details from the fall of a surveillance state, and shows how easy it was for neighbor to turn on neighbor.
During COVID face masks were enough. Fine speculators earner low hundreds trading them, politicians made frauds worth millions, anyone could pick on any stranger not wearing or wearing them incorrectly, law enforcement could impose the most ridiculous fines. It's so trivial to make people yap at each other.
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#47Time and again we see how half-assed dictatorships don't work. Soviet Union and the Eastern Block failed because they tried to be nice. By doing so, they achieved the worst result possible: cynical, profoundly disillusioned society and an economic failure on top of that. They should've either folded when they realised that "classless and stateless" Communism was never going to work - which is, by the late 1970s at th…
Socialism is not Communism.
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#48On this topic, I can't recommend enough the movie "The life of Others" (2006). Depicts surveillance in Eastern Germany and the state of sheer fear and paranoia its citizens had to live in.
Have you seen it available somewhere in Europe recently?
I've been looking for it for a while, with no success. I'd be happy with anything from DVD to archive.org/youtube upload or whatever.
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#49Divide and conquer. I'm pretty sure that the intelligence services nowadays condone the contemporary identity politics revolution because it distracts people (especially the youth) from the actual problems of society. I am old enough to remember the time where revolution meant actively fighting the oppressors or those in power, not posting on twitter about who has what between their pants and to which bathroom they s…
Anything other than this is missing the point.
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#50It's remarkable how quickly Communism collapsed in Eastern Europe the moment Soviet support went. Despite decades of intense propaganda, killings of people in uprisings and the methods of Stasi as described in the article. Even with all that effort most people didn't believe in the regime. So it's hard to say whether the Stasi's tactics worked. Only people in the regimes like Ceausescu and Honecker actually thought p…
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