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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by flustercan »

allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

Ehh the roads are public property. I don't think its unreasonable that if you want your car to be registered to drive on a public road it needs some sort of speed limiter. Its about the same level of infringement on your personal rights as requiring a car have seatbelts. Feel free to buy a car with no limiter or no seatbelts and drive it on your own private roads as fast as your heart desires.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by mizzao »

shermantanktop wrote: post #267
allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.

I forget the scientific term for this — but 95% of people think they are above average at doing X skill.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by bombcar »

rkagerer wrote: post #247
ufmace wrote: post #50

The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…

...like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway I recall someone analyzing records from LexisNexis or similar (maybe in a news article or lawsuit?) and uncovering all kinds of instances where they were incorrectly labeled as speeding due to crossing a lower-limit road. Unfortunately I can't find the link.

It 100% happens repeatedly to me (my car has the little "tell you the speed limit" feature). It'll suddenly say the limit is 30 because the GPS thinks I'm on the feeder road nearby.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by bombcar »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #277
GuB-42 wrote: post #205

There are cars that can go way over 100 mph, and they almost all speed controlled by software. High performance cars are often speed limited by software to about 150 mph. How is this legal? Cars with speed limits that high belong to the track, not public roads, with a possible exception for emergency vehicles. There are some rare (emergency) situations where "superspeeding" might help, but I can think of many others…

> with a possible exception for emergency vehicles Ambulance and fire truck driver here. There's no good reason for emergency vehicles to ever go much faster than the speed limit, and we would experience life-changing amounts of personal liability if our driving got someone hurt. While it's sometimes important to get a patient to the hospital as quickly as possible, that's less frequent than you might think, and it's…

The era of the high-speed pursuit is basically over; you have "freeway speed pursuit" and "bear in the air" mostly these days.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by scott_w »

analog31 wrote: post #164
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall hearing about Japan putting speed limiters in all cars and using GPS to determine the road and therefore speed limit to set the limiter dynamically in vehicles. (Perhaps some details are wrong or confabulated; regardless, it’s a neat idea.) I’m in favor of such a system in theory; I’d be concerned about privacy issues but there’s no reason for such a system to require driver identification anyway.

My family rented a car in England last summer, and this was an optional feature of the car. I didn't want to try it out on my first time driving on the left, so I didn't turn it on. Moreover, the speed limits on the motorways were changing in real time. I observed very little speeding -- almost none.

You’ll have been on a variable speed zone of the motorway which is covered in cameras to enforce the limit reductions. People tend to behave themselves when they think they’ll lose their toys.

If you drive in an area that’s known to not be covered by cameras, you’ll see it more, though it might be less than where you’re from.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by flustercan »

GuB-42 wrote: post #205

There are cars that can go way over 100 mph, and they almost all speed controlled by software. High performance cars are often speed limited by software to about 150 mph. How is this legal? Cars with speed limits that high belong to the track, not public roads, with a possible exception for emergency vehicles. There are some rare (emergency) situations where "superspeeding" might help, but I can think of many others…

I'm much more concerned about someone going 40mph in a 25 zone than someone going 110 in a 75.

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Post by yongjik »

thatcat wrote: post #287
shermantanktop wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never met a person taking high risk actions who thinks they are unqualified to do so. But they always think some other people are.

That seems like the result of a normal skill level distribution that allows some people to take more advanced actions at the same risk level. Interesting how there is never a push to punish people who actually cause wrecks with this technology.

More like a normal cognitive level distribution that let some people put themselves and bystanders in unnecessary danger because they "know" they can handle it.

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Post by andrewflnr »

crooked-v wrote: post #177
andrewflnr wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical emergencies are not "unrealistic action movie scenarios". If my family member is bleeding and I'm driving them to the ER, I don't and shouldn't have to care about precise speed limits.

If you're in that situation and you've already broken the speed limit so flagrantly multiple times that the courts have installed a speed limiter, that family member may well be safer waiting for the ambulance.

The grandparent poster was asking a broader question about automatic enforcement in general, and when it would be appropriate to avoid enforcement.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by throwaway2037 »

protocolture wrote: post #263
adrr wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will my road legal car know when it’s on a track or a closed road? Some how putting a way to disable it defeats the purpose. If its GPS controlled, people will be spoofing GPS to remove the limit, just need a raspberry pie and some other components. You’ll have unintended consequences.

They demonstrated the japanese system on topgear once, and it was disgustingly accurate. They drove onto a track and bing it opened up. No lag or anything.

    > it was disgustingly accurate
Real question (no trolling): Is this sarcastic? If not, I don't really understand this English.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by lostlogin »

allenrb wrote: post #224

Speed limiters built into cars. Anti-infringement technology built into general-purpose computers. And yet, guns and ammo freely available and unrestricted outside of automatic weapons and the like? Yeah. Can’t wait to move off-grid someday. (Yes, obviously American) I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right. Guess that’s another…

> I’ve got enough sense to keep it slow and safe in populated areas, yet occasionally open it up elsewhere when conditions are right.

Is this a reference to your driving, or your shooting?

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