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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#152I’ve seen cars improve a lot over that last 10-20 years. Faster, smoother, quieter, and safer, they can cruise all day at 80-90 mph.
Sadly, this is completely incompatible with 25 mph city speed limits. Thus, the need for engineering kludges like automotive speed limiters.
I’d really like a new vehicle classification, perhaps along the lines of Medium Speed Electric Vehicles. Designed with a top speed of 40 to 45 mph, they might make a reasonable primary vehicle for many, and a good second car for even more.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess it would work as a breath alcohol ignition interlock device when reselling. I.e. you just remove it.
That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.
> What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH?
I'd presume the state would need to update its GIS record, in the meantime you'd put your hazard lights on and move over to the right lane.
> Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death?
Suddenly while driving, or something that you'd need to use the car for in order to travel fast? In the latter case, you'd just return to the wild and live like anyone else does without the ability to travel at arbitrarily sufficient speeds to deal with any personal emergency. These situations could be accounted for prior to repeatedly breaking speed laws and moving to some backwoods area where you'd also be screwed if it broke down.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#154The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…
> What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it?
This will put an onerous burden on people who borrow cars.
If they intend to go more than 10 mph over the posted speed limit in the borrowed car they will need to make sure to only borrow cars from people who have not been convicted of speeding over 100 mph and forced to have an ISA installed.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#155I would bet against these devices seeing widespread deployment or requirement. There are hundreds of counties around the rural US where a huge portion of their income comes from speeding tickets on vehicles on the one state highway going through their jurisdiction. Money talks louder than a few pedestrian deaths every year.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which gives you a really strong incentive to not put other people’s lives at risk by driving recklessly.
This makes the assumptions that: A: The ticket was valid in the first place B: The Speeding was reckless I have a friend who got an entirely fabricated ticket claiming he was doing 80+ going uphill on an on-ramp in an early 90s toyota corolla with four people and four desktops + a couple of CRTs. We weren't going faster than ~35. Ticket said it was radar verified but he was sitting on his hood eating a sandwich. Othe…
I'm from Atlanta. On 285 the speed limit is 55. Traffic moves at 80.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#157A page linked from the article ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zLaBRWMSSnjGzMOpoZwUSw_H... ) cites a $4/day rental fee for the equipment, which works out to roughly $120/month. I understand there are assistance programs promised by the article. Can someone in the space help me understand this pricing model? Seems high to me. The faq also claims there are no civil liberties implications for this since people use…
I’d be surprised if only 75% of suspended drivers continue to drive. I’d expect that to be 90% or more (at least for those aged 21-65).
Drivers ignore the suspension because the chances of being pulled over are extremely low.
I’m not a crazy driver, but I am usually moving with a purpose and get pulled over about once every five to seven years. That might be 40 or 50K miles between stops. Someone can get a lot of life things done in 50K miles and finding alternatives for each of those miles may rationally be less appealing than fading the risk of being caught while suspended.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#158I’ve seen cars improve a lot over that last 10-20 years. Faster, smoother, quieter, and safer, they can cruise all day at 80-90 mph. Sadly, this is completely incompatible with 25 mph city speed limits. Thus, the need for engineering kludges like automotive speed limiters. I’d really like a new vehicle classification, perhaps along the lines of Medium Speed Electric Vehicles. Designed with a top speed of 40 to 45 mph…
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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
In theory, yes. In practice typical insurance requirements are already far below realistic modern-day damages possible from vehicular collisions, and people still routinely drive without even that minimal insurance. Without better mechanisms to actually meaningfully enforce insurance requirements, changes to those requirements are unlikely to be effective. The elephant in the room in the US is that although driving i…
Yeah, required liability coverage needs to go way up.
Unfortunately the main effect of this would most likely be a massive increase in the percentage of drivers who are uninsured.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scale of vehicular traffic these days make such a scenario seem quaint. The highways and interstates would be littered with cars.
We already know how evacuations by car would play out; poorly. Just check out how slow it takes to do hurricane evacuations, and we know about those days ahead of time.