I wonder if insurance would be a partial solution? Allow/encourage providers of liability insurance to raise rates on people with tickets, unless they are to the electronic limit.
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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which gives you a really strong incentive to not put other people’s lives at risk by driving recklessly.
By speeding, and nothing else? This shit is so silly man.
Speeding is widely accepted, because it seems such a low level offense. 50km/h instead of 30, it’s only 20 more. But the physics are against you - the energy of the vehicle grows quadratic with the speed. At 30, you need about 18 meters to come to a stop. So you can prevent an accident if a person appears about 20 meters from your hood. At 50, you’ll run them over with a remaining speed of more than 30km/h. Speeding kills.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#133while this is not a bad idea, why not prevent them from driving at all and massive punishments
TFA says 75% of people with suspended licenses drive anyways.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess it would work as a breath alcohol ignition interlock device when reselling. I.e. you just remove it.
That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death? Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.
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#135Even a license suspension doesn’t necessarily change behavior: A federally funded study found that 75% of people with suspended licenses continued to drive. I know part of this is related to sociopathic behavior, but the bigger part of it is probably that we really need better public transit and should design walkable cities instead of cities based around cars. People still have to get to work, to the doctor, pick up…
True, but my understanding is that you can get an exception for driving to work and those other kinds of things.
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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
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I used to race cars. Driving a race car on the street is dumb AF. Rollcage will crush your skull if you aren’t helmeted and in the 6-point harness. Suspension is bone jarring (and expensive to maintain). The exhaust is not legal. And on and on. Nobody races steeet legal cars. Except maybe a few drag racers, and half those cars probably have illegal tires or emissions removals, but they drove on the street anyway. Sou…
> Nobody races steeet legal cars. Most people don't but that's an overly broad generalization. I raced Spec Miata in its early days (2000-2010) and it was possible (and I did) to keep a moderately competitive Spec Miata still street legal. I didn't have space for a trailer so had to drive it to the track.
Ha! I cut my teeth on Spec RX-7. I drove it to the track for a season and it was a terrible idea. The car was nominally legal (catalyst in place, full exhaust). But it was loud AF, the rollcage was dangerous on the street, and getting 4 race wheels in the back with a jack, tools, tent, etc was an endeavor.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law isn’t prior restraint - the state is trying to g to install these in repeat offenders’ cars. But, to that point, I mostly agree. I’d rather we hired some quality road engineers and urban planners who are willing to build roads and towns that aren’t car-dependent hellscapes.
I have less of an issue installing these in the vehicles of repeat offenders but much of the conversation here has been around more general installation or mandating of governors. I doubt that existing areas are going to see that happen. Plus, I'd rather live in a totally car-dependent area because 1. it makes it harder for people I don't want to live near to move in. Lower crime, fewer cars on blocks in front yards,…
And out in the country, excessive speeding is less a problem. Fewer people to main and kill. Less density, so less chance hitting somebody’s stuff. Here in suburbia, designing it to be more walkable (or bus able) would give repeat offenders (speeding, DUI, whatever) another option vs driving.
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No, they aren’t. The big brands’ sell limited e-bikes, but there’s a massive market for unlimited e-bikes that are basically electric motorbikes with nominal pedals to try and pass as bikes.
Well I mean, in Canada, Europe and the US these would be illegal if they're able to go more than 32, 25, and 40 km/h respectively. That doesn't mean there aren't illegal ebikes out there but I think the vast majority of e-bikes on the road comply with the legal limits.
40kmh? What’s that in Freedom Units? (j/k)
The US is a hodgepodge of local laws. AFAIK, there is no federal speed limit for e-bikes. The class 1/2/3 designation is optional. And class 3 often conflicts with local laws.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
By speeding, and nothing else? This shit is so silly man.
Speeding is widely accepted, because it seems such a low level offense. 50km/h instead of 30, it’s only 20 more. But the physics are against you - the energy of the vehicle grows quadratic with the speed. At 30, you need about 18 meters to come to a stop. So you can prevent an accident if a person appears about 20 meters from your hood. At 50, you’ll run them over with a remaining speed of more than 30km/h. Speeding…
Time also kills. And not speeding costs lots of time, especially in aggregate.
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Because if you don't have a car in most of the US then you're fucked.
Which gives you a really strong incentive to not put other people’s lives at risk by driving recklessly.
This makes the assumptions that:
A: The ticket was valid in the first place
B: The Speeding was reckless
I have a friend who got an entirely fabricated ticket claiming he was doing 80+ going uphill on an on-ramp in an early 90s toyota corolla with four people and four desktops + a couple of CRTs. We weren't going faster than ~35. Ticket said it was radar verified but he was sitting on his hood eating a sandwich.
Other times going the speed limit when traffic is going significantly faster is reckless (I'm looking at you, Atlanta). Cops in places like that love to ticket out of town/state plates.