I wonder if insurance would be a partial solution? Allow/encourage providers of liability insurance to raise rates on people with tickets, unless they are to the electronic limit.
Isn't that already how insurance works?
Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#122Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because if you don't have a car in most of the US then you're fucked.
Which gives you a really strong incentive to not put other people’s lives at risk by driving recklessly.
Because you can always count on people to have sufficient self awareness to rationally evaluate the pros and cons of their decisions before the fact, especially those who have demonstrated a repeated willingness to drive recklessly.
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#124A page linked from the article ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zLaBRWMSSnjGzMOpoZwUSw_H... ) cites a $4/day rental fee for the equipment, which works out to roughly $120/month. I understand there are assistance programs promised by the article. Can someone in the space help me understand this pricing model? Seems high to me. The faq also claims there are no civil liberties implications for this since people use…
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#125But... so many people are practically forced to exceed the limit just to keep up with the rest of the traffic that's already blowing past the limit. If you force a few people to go at the limit, that's frustrating for everyone behind them in the best case at best... and I imagine possibly even more dangerous in the worst case, no? If they're going to enforce then shouldn't they try to enforce it as widely as they can…
No. No one is 'forced' to exceed the limit, not remotely, and there are plenty of drivers who, for a variety of reasons, drive at or under the speed limit (many large trucks, for example).
On a highway, driving slow in the left lane is not good, but doing 65 in a 70 in the right lane is perfectly fine.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which gives you a really strong incentive to not put other people’s lives at risk by driving recklessly.
Because you can always count on people to have sufficient self awareness to rationally evaluate the pros and cons of their decisions before the fact, especially those who have demonstrated a repeated willingness to drive recklessly.
How is this different from actual criminals that we lock up behind bars? Sometimes till the remainder of their lives. These aren't children, and the quicker we start treating them as adults, the quicker they'll learn to obey the laws before the real and life-changing consequences kick in.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
All it takes is a simple law stating that if you circumvent the speed limiter you face far more serious penalties. Done and done. Literally no different than how we handle suspended licenses.
> Literally no different than how we handle suspended licenses. The article points out that 75% of people with suspended licenses continue to drive.
That just means the penalties are not strict enough. Even worse, we're afraid to impose real penalties (jail) so we rather just "fine" people (because it's more humane?), which will affect those most likely to drive without a license more than the regular folk. The regular folk will be scared shitless and will just get a lift with someone till their license issue is resolved.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Criminalising driving on a license suspended for a traffic offence (note: not expired or for financial reasons) seems like the easiest no brainer imaginable.
Driving to work sounds like a financial reason
> Driving to work sounds like a financial reason
Not a get out of jail free card.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#129The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…
I recall hearing about Japan putting speed limiters in all cars and using GPS to determine the road and therefore speed limit to set the limiter dynamically in vehicles. (Perhaps some details are wrong or confabulated; regardless, it’s a neat idea.) I’m in favor of such a system in theory; I’d be concerned about privacy issues but there’s no reason for such a system to require driver identification anyway.
Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders
#130The technical aspects of this seem concerning. I'm wondering exactly who has the authority to set a car to this mode and how the mechanism of doing so works. What happens if you sell the car or let somebody else borrow it? Or when you get another car, or rent one? What are the failure modes of it, like if the GPS glitches a little and decides you're on a feeder or surface road when you're actually on a freeway? I thi…
I guess it would work as a breath alcohol ignition interlock device when reselling. I.e. you just remove it.
That's what happens if you sell the car. What happens if the thing thinks the speed limit on a 65 MPH highway is 30 MPH? Or you have some emergency situation where a higher travel speed is a matter of life and death?
Machines should never enforce laws because they don't have the ability to know when doing so would be unreasonable.