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Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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We've built our social systems around capturing value. You don't necessarily need to do anything useful, it's good enough if you can be the middleman and milk other businesses. For example, you can run an app store and charge 30% fees. Or when there are affordable GPUs, you could quickly buy more than you need to sell them at a higher mark-up later. Or how about letting people write for and moderate on your platform for free, but you own and sell all the resulting content ... Or how about lobbying to make it illegal for mere humans to run strong AI models, so that you get to own all that AI productivity. Bonus points if you pull off the gaslighting and go with "Open AI" as company name for your locked-door shenanigans.

I expect that as soon as AI starts to autonomously create value, there'll be a corporate race to capture that value. And then all the other humans won't gain any free time to do their thinking, creating, or living.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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The zeroith problem follows:

Creating and maintaining an organizational structure of people, that can manage both initial resourcing, ongoing resource allocation, such that the fruits of the labor from the machines is distributed in a way that maintains:

1. Social coherence within the organization so that it doesn’t dissolve from infighting 2. The ability to survive in a marketplace that assumes competition and does not jeopardize 1.

I’ve been working through this a long time and the core problem is having people who can agree on credit assignment and not becoming forcibly consumed by a larger system.

So simply organizing as an LLC or B Corp or Coop or whatever sets the long term destiny of your prospects.

what you’re proposing is the idealized form of techno-humanism singularly.

However unless you solve for the “economic problem of humans existing” you end up creating the perfect grey-goo producing corporation that benefits like 100 people long term.

Society has to reorganize and align itself epistemically and economically before your dream could survive.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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The zeroith problem follows: Creating and maintaining an organizational structure of people, that can manage both initial resourcing, ongoing resource allocation, such that the fruits of the labor from the machines is distributed in a way that maintains: 1. Social coherence within the organization so that it doesn’t dissolve from infighting 2. The ability to survive in a marketplace that assumes competition and does…

100% agree. Workflow automation is the easy part...a system that leads to fair value distribution is a whole other issue.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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the whole point of AI companies right now is to suck up as much data as possible and figure out what the AI can do with that later.

If, later, that capability level reaches a point where they can take people’s jobs, then the data which noobs PAY to give to AI right now, will absolutely help them do exactly that.

And the paying noobs, agree to the terms, which say they aren’t allowed to use their own chat logs to compete with AI — literally the worst, most retarded deal in history, and millions of idiots think NOT taking it is dumb?

“If you’re not skillmaxxing with ClosedAI hours every day, ngmi” is the manipulation du jour for these assholes

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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We've built our social systems around capturing value. You don't necessarily need to do anything useful, it's good enough if you can be the middleman and milk other businesses. For example, you can run an app store and charge 30% fees. Or when there are affordable GPUs, you could quickly buy more than you need to sell them at a higher mark-up later. Or how about letting people write for and moderate on your platform…

Totally hear you. Reinvesting saved time in higher-value / more interesting work doesn’t remove the structural-equity risk, which arguably might be the most challenging problem to solve.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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the whole point of AI companies right now is to suck up as much data as possible and figure out what the AI can do with that later. If, later, that capability level reaches a point where they can take people’s jobs, then the data which noobs PAY to give to AI right now, will absolutely help them do exactly that. And the paying noobs, agree to the terms, which say they aren’t allowed to use their own chat logs to comp…

This is only a problem for capitalism

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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You don't seem to understand the how and why society works the way it does, and as a result you believe in some pretty blatantly false things about AI in general.

Human organization that we see today occurs because of the exchange of economic activity. Some people have time they trade for in exchange for a store of value they can use to purchase things the need. Others pay people to produce things and then sell things they need. This is a distributed economy. It runs in a circle, with money traveling from producer to labor to producer (through consumer), etc in a giant circle.

The value of money is in the properties of money, part of that is partially based on what you can spend that money on (medium of exchange). The value of something is different between people, and even between the utility between other comparable alternatives (marginal utility), it is subjective.

Now if your time value that you can exchange for money goes to zero what happens? You don't exchange your time for free.

There is no demand for time value, no work can be exchanged for value and indirectly later for food, no production can occur because the store of value has been degraded and lost as the medium of exchange fails. You might start off being ok, but then failing since cost on the producer side is payed out first, and shortfalls in profit of projection to actuals will determine if they shut down for legitimate business.

Under AI, a producer can still produce, but no one will have the money to buy their goods after money sieves out of the hands of consumers. You have dynamics where the producer can't sell, and as money becomes more scarce and less liquid the value deflates until its worthless. This is called deflation.

If you print enough money, you might avoid deflation, but the purchasing power also fails being debased, there is no information in prices anymore and so distortions start occurring in the price of things. This leads to shortages in critical goods needed for survival, because demand can't be determined through economic calculation. You also have producers artificially constraining supply to raise price level. This leads to chaotic whipsaws in price with the chaos growing until a point is hit money loses its properties and then deflation occurs again.

The only indicators available to guide action are lagging indicators, forming the impossibility of this hysteresis problem. By the time you know you have a problem, there is no effective action that can be taken to correct course. You need the impossibility of future sight to solve this type of problem, and this occurs in any fiat based system given sufficient time. Legitimate producers leave the market when there is no profit, remaining producers are fueled by money printing, and you have a collapse to non-market socialism which then leads to these problems (despite there seemingly being a market, just not a functioning one).

There are two fundamental guidelines that must be met to stay on the safe path. Producers must make a profit in terms of purchasing power, and Factor markets must make sufficient compensation that they can support themselves, a wife, and three children, also in purchasing power.

Both have largely failed as a trend, and will fail in objective measure by 2030-2033, if not sooner. AI eliminates demand in the factor markets.

When you have so many people alive, who can do nothing in exchange for food, and no one willing to give them food, these people are left to die, and they won't go quietly. Order fails, supply chains fail, and the production flows needed to support that many people break down.

Malthusian reversion in ecological overshoot, which accounts for Catton's observations, will mean the planet might not support 2bn people in total after this happens. There are 8.2bn people alive today.

While AI works mindlessly as a slave, the difference in those numbers will be free to be starving humans, desperate humans with weapons that may eventually end up dying, or following a brass verdict.

When you fail to have a working plan for survival based in reality, the alternative is death, and the loss of rationality of so many people today is a sign that favors death and violence over alternatives. Failing to act to stop destructive dynamics is the same thing as supporting the outcomes when existence is on the line.

We do not live in a world of surplus, we live in a world of scarcity, and some people have complacently been raised as summer children; unaware and unprepared for the coming winter.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

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post #8

You don't seem to understand the how and why society works the way it does, and as a result you believe in some pretty blatantly false things about AI in general. Human organization that we see today occurs because of the exchange of economic activity. Some people have time they trade for in exchange for a store of value they can use to purchase things the need. Others pay people to produce things and then sell thing…

What are the false things that I believe in? Seems like you're making some pretty big assumptions on how I think of the world.

Re: Not worried about AI taking our jobs; worried it won't take our current jobs

#10
If you have competition, you will not have more than your marginal contribution.

If you are free to be human because the tools are working, your marginal contribution will be small, since one guy who accepts not being human could supervise the tools.

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