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Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by jimbob45 »

closewith wrote: post #79
jimbob45 wrote: post #76

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You’re barking up the wrong tree. If South Korea doesn’t turn things around, it’s logical that they get reabsorbed back into North Korea and then women have to deal with that. Choosing to ignore that reality isn’t going to make it go away.

So your solution - apparently the only one you can imagine - is to remove bodily autonomy from women. That’s not logic. That’s authoritarianism, selectively applied to justify your own biases. As a thought experiment: If the economic and social burdens are what are preventing South Korean women from choosing to have children, why don’t we instead remove autonomy from men? We could provide women with universal, genero…

What? No. I’m telling you that attacking that other poster isn’t going to change the reality of the situation. If you take no successful action, then his solution will come to pass anyway.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by Kittru »

closewith wrote: post #89
Kittru wrote: post #81

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I don’t argue about whether women’s human rights are negotiable. They are not. They are sacrosanct. I don’t debate bigots. I shame them. > “We are in an unpleasant situation. It’s probably going to require an unpleasant solution.” Well, as you’ve decided that basic human rights are now “optional,” let me propose a solution: Since misogynists like you and Nathan are clearly a threat to women’s safety and comfort — and…

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by Kittru »

Snow_Falls wrote: post #95
closewith wrote: post #89

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I don’t argue about whether women’s human rights are negotiable. They are not. They are sacrosanct. I don’t debate bigots. I shame them. > “We are in an unpleasant situation. It’s probably going to require an unpleasant solution.” Well, as you’ve decided that basic human rights are now “optional,” let me propose a solution: Since misogynists like you and Nathan are clearly a threat to women’s safety and comfort — and…

Hey I commented on a different reply of yours before realising you're the only commenter pushing back on this rubbish, so I just want to say that I appreciate you taking the time to do this. Leaving ideas like this unchallenged just legitimises it.

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by Yutrentu »

closewith wrote: post #69
dyauspitr wrote: post #64

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This is deeply dismissive. A better response would have been to provide a fourth option with what you think is a potential viable option. I can come up with one for you something along the lines of the government, providing sizable upfront pavements or stipends to families that have kids so having kids is an immediate financial gain. I don’t think most economies can sustain that though.

This is not just dismissive - it is profoundly so, and for good reason. The author deserves to be dismissed, having constructed a false trichotomy in which every option is merely a thinly veiled excuse for their sexist and misogynistic worldview. They have not reached their position through reason, so reason cannot be used to dislodge them from it. Entertaining their chauvinism as if it merits rational debate only le…

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by WhatsName »

lelanthran wrote: post #97
hliyan wrote: post #9

Some of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”". "...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”" This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.

> ...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’ Impersonating someone else is always a serious crime. We call it fraud.

Impersonation is a mean, which can often but does not always necessitate fraud. One might impersonate Arnold Schwarzenegger for comedic effect, one might also impersonate a daughter to steal money from a grandma. Stealing the money is the crime here, one does not impersonate without purpose, the purpose defines the severity (or lack of) crime...

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by klodolph »

lazide wrote: post #100
klodolph wrote: post #99

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> Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh? Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic. > Do you want me to get more specific? I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could st…

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Post by klodolph »

blitzar wrote: post #41
klodolph wrote: post #36

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Japan isn’t actually going in that direction… as far as I can tell, there’s just a ton of “Japan is so weird” articles that get shared in the west. Like, articles about vending machines that sell used panties to perverts, or men who get married to anime characters. You could just as easily write these articles about the US or any country in Europe, it’s just a bit of old-fashioned orientalism going around that we hap…

You should see the "America is so weird" articles that get shared in the west about 13 year old girls being married off to adult men. Chilling stuff.

I’ve seen those too, which is why the “Japan is weird” or “South Korea is weird” angle doesn’t resonate.
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