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Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Sure, I mean using force and coercion is one way to obtain what you want! Not sure that's the society I want my daughters to live in though, maybe there's a way to have both equal rights and promote family values? Like having access to healthcare, reduce the social stigma of being a parent, ensuring there's support for new families, keeping the cost down... Etc!

Maybe, a lot of Europe has excellent governmental support systems in place and they still have very low birth rates.

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> We are in an unpleasant situation. It's probably going to require an unpleasant solution. You seem to be in denial of this reality. It is an incredible coincidence that every time I hear this, the unpleasant situation happens to be fixable by just tearing away a few more individual rights, which will surely be back once the unpleasant situation is gone and not replaced by five more unpleasant situations

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Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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In Western liberal democracies, individual freedom always wins. Given that the World is currently over-populated by almost every metric imaginable, and we are facing an extinction event as a result, I think you can hold back on your demand that we enslave women for a few thousand more years, yet.

With current birth rates in developed countries, it won't take a few thousand years. Not even close. Nice hyperbole, though.

OK, I'll bite.

How long will it take until humanity is extinct based on the global birth rate of [checks notes] 2.51 children per woman[0]? Please show your working.

When you say "developed countries", I assume you mean the G20 with a birth rate of 1.65 births per woman, but that includes the most populous nations on Earth (China and India).

That means what people are actually talking about is "the birth rate is fine, but it's rich people who will soon be outnumbered". That's not a human extinction event - that's a call to action on equality and inclusion, and to ensure wealth is more evenly distributed.

A lot of people who make these extraordinary claims of extinction risk are themselves very rich (Musk) or people who adulate them (people on Twitter). By insisting birth rate in the G20 is the issue that needs addressing, rather than wealth inequality, they make their motivation pretty plain to see.

But none of this prices in climate change as a risk. Is a human extinction event (or tipping point event) going to happen sooner or later than an extinction event caused by climate change?

As the population decreases and human consumption of resources decreases, will climate change accelerate or decelerate?

Why is birth rate a problem for people of this generation to address urgently, as a higher priority than climate change?

If it is a priority that requires direct intervention, why should that action be - as per the person I was replying to originally - require women to have less choice and autonomy? What method will this take? What other choices are there?

Frankly, I don't know why I'm putting this much effort into arguing with a flawed "philosophy" straight out of the Andrew Tate handbook, that doesn't get backed up by numbers.

If you're scared of poor people having more children, do something about poverty, not telling women they should have a moral obligation to stay at home and bring up your children.

[0] https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Fertility_rate/

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This is deeply dismissive. A better response would have been to provide a fourth option with what you think is a potential viable option. I can come up with one for you something along the lines of the government, providing sizable upfront pavements or stipends to families that have kids so having kids is an immediate financial gain. I don’t think most economies can sustain that though.

This is not just dismissive - it is profoundly so, and for good reason. The author deserves to be dismissed, having constructed a false trichotomy in which every option is merely a thinly veiled excuse for their sexist and misogynistic worldview. They have not reached their position through reason, so reason cannot be used to dislodge them from it. Entertaining their chauvinism as if it merits rational debate only le…

Thank you for politely explaining what I am too filled with incoherent rage to do myself.

The sexism of HN is astounding sometimes, here we have men politely debating whether women deserve rights. Everytime women are brought up on HN I am only disappointed further.

If GP had said that men deserved to be enslaved no one would think this was something deserving of a thought-out rebuttal, they would be told to leave. But it's fine when women are in the firing line!

Genuinely despicable.

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I don’t argue about whether women’s human rights are negotiable. They are not. They are sacrosanct. I don’t debate bigots. I shame them. > “We are in an unpleasant situation. It’s probably going to require an unpleasant solution.” Well, as you’ve decided that basic human rights are now “optional,” let me propose a solution: Since misogynists like you and Nathan are clearly a threat to women’s safety and comfort — and…

Hey I commented on a different reply of yours before realising you're the only commenter pushing back on this rubbish, so I just want to say that I appreciate you taking the time to do this. Leaving ideas like this unchallenged just legitimises it.

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1) Sukarno had less to worry about than a schoolteacher (like in the article), perhaps. Teachers can get fired for even a hint of scandal. 2) Victorian men loved porn, prostitution, etc. The "prudishness" of the Victorian era was enforced on women. Deepfakes are just part of the same long tradition of women being deprived of sexual agency and autonomy.

Sukarno only had less to worry about because he had ensured he has less to worry about. Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image. Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment. SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks ou…

"Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex."

You have a deeply negative view of my sex. Do you seriously believe that all men are robots who loose all agency when they're horny? If so, why isn't all the world run by women?

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Some of the perpetrators: "Two former students from the prestigious Seoul National University (SNU)" and "a quiet, introverted student “someone you’d never imagine doing such a thing,”". "...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’”" This seems like a deep societal issue that cannot be solved through harsh criminal penalties alone.

> ...lot of articles and comments about deepfakes saying, ‘Why is it a serious crime when it’s not even your real body?’

Impersonating someone else is always a serious crime. We call it fraud.

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Sukarno only had less to worry about because he had ensured he has less to worry about. Dictators have been murdered over nothing, let alone scandals - but he was strong enough at the time that yes, it would have just propped up his image. Teachers rarely have that degree of control of their environment. SK (like most Asian societies) also has a huge ‘crabs in a bucket’ problem, also known as ‘the nail that sticks ou…

"Most women, if unrestricted, can get most men to do almost anything they want using sex." You have a deeply negative view of my sex. Do you seriously believe that all men are robots who loose all agency when they're horny? If so, why isn't all the world run by women?

Definitely not what I said. You might want to read it again. Quite odd to take a negative reading out of it too, especially since if you’d read the context it would have answered your own question quite clearly eh?

North and South are two magnetic poles that can only exist because the other does.

Structured one way, they can form one of the most powerful and directed kinds of motors possible. Structured another, one of the most destructive forces possible. If aware.

Unstructured or mixed up, just makes a chaotic goo, or nothing at all.

Would you take a similar negative view on ‘most men, uncontrolled, can kill almost anything that walks on this earth.’? Do you think that makes lions, tigers, bears, etc. little blobs of jelly ripe for the taking?

Personally, I take it as a super power, because it is true - despite them definitely not being blobs of jelly. Just like what I said above, despite all men definitely not being robots.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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Japan isn’t actually going in that direction… as far as I can tell, there’s just a ton of “Japan is so weird” articles that get shared in the west. Like, articles about vending machines that sell used panties to perverts, or men who get married to anime characters. You could just as easily write these articles about the US or any country in Europe, it’s just a bit of old-fashioned orientalism going around that we hap…

They’re ‘boring’ because we’re used to them, not because other cultures wouldn’t look on in horror. Every culture has their variant of this. For example, Indians would never tolerate the level of alcohol consumption that is essentially mandatory to hold office jobs in SK and Japan. And SK and Japan wouldn’t (to my knowledge) tolerate the level of societal control over marriages/sex/personal identity that Indian cultu…

> Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh?

Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic.

> Do you want me to get more specific?

I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could start with specifics to motivate the broader point you’re making. I think the bottom line here is that when you say Japan is going in a “similar direction”, I have no idea what direction you think that is.

> It’s not like Akiba and several other nearby distracts are actually about just maid cafes (actual-what-they-purport-to-be ones anyway) and cheap electronics, eh?

Neighborhoods aren’t “about” something, so when you say that Akiba isn’t “actually about just maid cafes”… obviously, because Akiba isn’t about anything. If you are winking at the camera and trying to insinuate that I know what Akiba is “about”, it’s not going to communicate anything about Akiba. This has all the hallmarks of how people communicate crackpot theories, and the antidote is to explain things in plain terms with direct language.

Re: Deepfake porn is destroying real lives in South Korea

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They’re ‘boring’ because we’re used to them, not because other cultures wouldn’t look on in horror. Every culture has their variant of this. For example, Indians would never tolerate the level of alcohol consumption that is essentially mandatory to hold office jobs in SK and Japan. And SK and Japan wouldn’t (to my knowledge) tolerate the level of societal control over marriages/sex/personal identity that Indian cultu…

> Chibi was an indirect reference to what western cultures refer to as CSAM (in not-as-uncommon-as-outsiders assume cases). Too subtle eh? Sure, subtle, or maybe downright cryptographic. I would describe it as cryptographic. > Do you want me to get more specific? I think your general point is unclear. Maybe you could explain your overall point in general terms first, before going into specifics. Or maybe you could st…

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