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'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I honestly don't know. That's why I'm surprised the UK actually has provisions for clawing back funds. Maybe they put adequate pressure on the Dubai-based banks to reverse the transfer?

No, the bank just takes a loss if necessary. See my comment above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43810904

But it does not apply to international transfers: Apparently international payments are no covered: https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/businesses/complaints...

Of course the victims might have transferred to an account the scammer has in the UK

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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post #14

The best thing about tech is that technology becomes a commodity very quickly. Now you don't need to pay huge sums of money to these consultant grifters any more as now AI tools like Cursor, Windsurf, Devin, Bolt, Lovable and Replit can build these apps and websites for you almost for free. I nearly signed off a six figure deal for someone to make an app for us and we instead went down the AI tools route after some e…

Don’t get it. Cheaper ways of doing software have been always available; that doesn’t mean they are the best way. You get what you pay for, as usual. Anybody thinking that 2025 AI is some sort of magical “free lunch” device, is just delusional.

That paying more insures quality software delivered by humans is delusional as well.

Half the early startup code I’ve seen delivered by agencies can best be described as performance art.

At least with AI delivered code the most likely output is some middle of the road boilerplate.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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post #21

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In my country this is only possible if enough funds are in the target account (banks coorporate), it's not a general customer refund...

In the UK if the funds cannot be recovered the bank takes the loss for push fraud. https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/what-to-do-if... It has made banks very nervous about transfers as even payments to a legitimate business can be part of a a fraud (e.g. buy gold and hand it over to the fraudster for "safe keeping") and people have complained they have had problems making legitimate transfers.

Oh, that really explains some stories I have heard about cars. That banks simply refuse some purchases from more independent sellers. Sometimes the fraud detection and avoidance can go too far.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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post #11

It's depressing that most startups fail whereas some rich kid can just scam people into giving him money to make his startup "successful".

Lack of morals made him money. You could do the old knock on old people's houses and tell them their roof needs fixing shit. Same thing really.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I never get why these types always end up running such naked scams - he’s clearly got a gift for sales, with a decent technical founder to back him up, they could be rolling in dough without failing to deliver the actual product

Hanlon's razor's aside, I can only think that these types aren't satisfied just being successful, they have a pathological need to scam people.

    In the misfortune of our best friends, we often find something that is not displeasing.
—François de La Rochefoucauld, 1665

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I'm a coder and got ripped off when outsourcing coding (because I didn't know the tech stack). Luckily lost $2k before I cut my losses and run. They kept begging for more money while returning buggy shit. So yeah easy to get ripped off and easy to get played. If you hire agencies (or any contractors) you need to be default asshole with rod up their ass. Milestones. Deliverables. Quality. Or no pay.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I am very curious about who’s downvoting this; do people really think it’s the bank’s responsibility?

My understanding is that when you transfer large sums (such as 30K) to an overseas account for the first time, the British bank is required to block it and ask you questions. The first time I transferred money to an overseas account in my name, the bank blocked the transfer for a day until I gave them proof that I was the owner of the account, what I was doing with the money and that I wasn’t being scammed.

That's for account hacking and similar. In this case, the customers were buying "tech services" and at least not expecting to be scammed.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I never get why these types always end up running such naked scams - he’s clearly got a gift for sales, with a decent technical founder to back him up, they could be rolling in dough without failing to deliver the actual product

He might be good at sales and scamming, but is he good at maintaining authentic relationships with people long enough to deliver good product?

My guess is definitely not.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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post #9

>> So don't tell the client that it cannot be done because we'll find [a contractor] that can do it when they've paid As a software developer (who did contract work in the past). I think this is actually sound logic within certain parameters... Sometimes clients do ask for impossible or infeasible things. But in most cases, the constraints are money and skills. Someone who is good at sales should not have to reject c…

> There are people straight out of university who know nothing and can't deliver anything on their own earning over $200k per year and seasoned experts who can deliver anything barely earning 100k. In my model of the world, there is exactly one country in the world that values skilled labor, the US. The highly skilled 100k people from abroad are firewalled from it by the visa regime and the fact that most people with…

If what you said is true then what you said is false, because you made the case that the US obviously does not value skilled labour.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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I never get why these types always end up running such naked scams - he’s clearly got a gift for sales, with a decent technical founder to back him up, they could be rolling in dough without failing to deliver the actual product

One issue is agencies can have vague contracts because customers did not have a good grasp of what they actually needed, start increasing scope in subtle ways. For example, you deliver a feature and during CAT they find a way to inject new requirements as if they were defects. These agencies usually don’t have lawyers, so new contracts are full of exploitable holes. You say “we’ll build an e-commerce app with invento…

I mean surely there’s a difference between outright scams where you deliver nothing that works vs what a lot of consulting orgs do where you at least deliver something functional, even if not exactly what the customer wants. One of those is more likely to get you charges than the other.

> Customers who say they spent their life savings without receiving a viable product - they told the BBC they received products from ConvrtX which didn't work or match what they had paid for

An MVP would have sufficed, though they couldn’t be bothered to at least do that. Of course, they should have also said no to the downright unreasonable ideas that some of the customers had for their budget (e.g. accessing all of the phone data remotely, on a startup budget).

But it’s pretty obvious that they had no love for the craft nor even the most basic respect for their customers and just cared about the money.

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