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Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by statictype »

jasonkester wrote: post #64
statictype wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you (probably) mean well but you're missing the point and come off as fairly condescending. Did you consider the possibility that the author already has a job that pays him extremely well and that the ROI he gets in spending time providing customer support/marketing for a commercial iOS app is actually losing money for him? You should save the "you are allowed to make money" talk for people who are actually tr…

Did you consider the possibility that the author already has a job that pays him extremely well and that the ROI he gets in spending time providing customer support/marketing for a commercial iOS app is actually losing money for him? I think that's more a rationalization that developers use to convince themselves not to charge for their stuff than a reality. I've certainly never experienced any support/marketing over…

I've certainly never experienced any support/marketing overload with any of my products.

Presumably because that's your full time job?

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by statictype »

chrisballinger wrote: post #66
statictype wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming he cares at all about making money from this app and the only reason he didn't try is because he didn't know it was possible. His app is free and source code is published on github. Maybe he wants it that way.

From my site: "This project is 100% free because it is important that all people around the world have unrestricted access to privacy tools. However, developing and supporting this project is hard work and costs real money. Please help support the development of this project!" :)

Oh, well, then, why don't you charge something for the iOS app?

You can keep the source free and still support your ultimate goal, right?

Having a revenue stream from it would actually be beneficial in keeping it running longer.

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by jancborchardt »

icebraining wrote: post #36
jancborchardt wrote: post #28

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Still, it needs to retain the copyright notice and credit the original author. What the plagiarist in this case did is use it as if it was Public Domain.

What makes you say he didn't? Have you downloaded the app? Because OP says he hasn't, so he can't possibly know. BSD doesn't force you to put the copyright notice and credit in the app description page.

They did the same for Matt Gemmell: https://twitter.com/mattgemmell/status/235302914258792448

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by jancborchardt »

statictype wrote: post #72
chrisballinger wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my site: "This project is 100% free because it is important that all people around the world have unrestricted access to privacy tools. However, developing and supporting this project is hard work and costs real money. Please help support the development of this project!" :)

Oh, well, then, why don't you charge something for the iOS app? You can keep the source free and still support your ultimate goal, right? Having a revenue stream from it would actually be beneficial in keeping it running longer.

»[…] because it is important that all people around the world have unrestricted access to privacy tools.«

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by chrisdone »

chrisballinger wrote: post #65
chrisdone wrote: post #45

“I realize the BSD allows people to sell my binaries and source but I do not believe it authorizes them to sell the source under a different license.” Er, that's the exact point of the BSD license. The GPL even allows selling binaries and source code, but not re-licensing. So the gist of this blog post is that you offered your source code under a license that allows re-licensing provided that your copyright and some…

I don't have the cash to buy a "license" to my own code, but I would imagine he removed the copyright notices like he did for Matt Gemmell: https://twitter.com/mattgemmell/status/235302914258792448 I didn't have a problem with him selling my stuff, I just have a problem with him claiming something I wrote as his own. By the way, Chupamobile responded and removed his software: https://chatsecure.org/blog#7

Guilty before proven guilty. I'm glad you're vindicated.

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by jasonkester »

statictype wrote: post #71
jasonkester wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you consider the possibility that the author already has a job that pays him extremely well and that the ROI he gets in spending time providing customer support/marketing for a commercial iOS app is actually losing money for him? I think that's more a rationalization that developers use to convince themselves not to charge for their stuff than a reality. I've certainly never experienced any support/marketing over…

I've certainly never experienced any support/marketing overload with any of my products. Presumably because that's your full time job?

Far from it. Yikes, I've never bought into the valley startup idea, where you spend all your time working on your thing. I spend maybe a dozen hours a month maintaining my little software empire and supporting customers.

There's a reason I promote the lifestyle. Having a little pile of software products paying you a full developer salary in exchange for answering a few emails a week is a pretty good place to be.

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by statictype »

jancborchardt wrote: post #74
statictype wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, well, then, why don't you charge something for the iOS app? You can keep the source free and still support your ultimate goal, right? Having a revenue stream from it would actually be beneficial in keeping it running longer.

»[…] because it is important that all people around the world have unrestricted access to privacy tools.«

That's what the code on github is for?

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by campnic »

jasonkester wrote: post #64
statictype wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you (probably) mean well but you're missing the point and come off as fairly condescending. Did you consider the possibility that the author already has a job that pays him extremely well and that the ROI he gets in spending time providing customer support/marketing for a commercial iOS app is actually losing money for him? You should save the "you are allowed to make money" talk for people who are actually tr…

Did you consider the possibility that the author already has a job that pays him extremely well and that the ROI he gets in spending time providing customer support/marketing for a commercial iOS app is actually losing money for him? I think that's more a rationalization that developers use to convince themselves not to charge for their stuff than a reality. I've certainly never experienced any support/marketing over…

a very real downside of keeping it open source

What is the downside of keeping it open source?

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by chrisballinger »

statictype wrote: post #77
jancborchardt wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

»[…] because it is important that all people around the world have unrestricted access to privacy tools.«

That's what the code on github is for?

Not everyone is sophisticated enough to build a mobile app from source, or wealthy enough to pay Apple $99/yr for the privilege of running your own code.

Re: Plagiarism of my open source app ChatSecure

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Post by daemon13 »

chrisdone wrote: post #45

“I realize the BSD allows people to sell my binaries and source but I do not believe it authorizes them to sell the source under a different license.” Er, that's the exact point of the BSD license. The GPL even allows selling binaries and source code, but not re-licensing. So the gist of this blog post is that you offered your source code under a license that allows re-licensing provided that your copyright and some…

I was under impression that, since code is copyrighted, release under BSD license does not release the copyright claim and therefore the smart fellow shall indicate whose code he is using/selling.

Is this not the case?

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