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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by koolba »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #621
koolba wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I cannot for the life of me understand why Americans have such a problem with other people coming here to seek a better life. Half this country has been tricked into seeing hardworking immigrants as a threat to their safety and livelihood — but by all metrics, immigrants are a net positive to society. I have no issue with legal immigration. Far from it, I’m in favor of attracting the best, brightest, and most hard…

> They’re cheating "Of course, 'It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen.' See Lyttle v. United States, 867 F.Supp.2d 1256 (M.D. Ga. 2012) (citing Tuan Anh Nguyen v. Immigration & Naturalization Serv., 533 U.S. 53, 67 (2001) (affirming that a citizen has the 'absolute right to enter [the United States] borders'); Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618…

If you read the complete sentence you’d realize I’m referring to cheating against every other potential immigrant to come to the USA.

> To the extent someone is unequivocally cheating, it's ICE.

So what exactly is ICE supposed to do if they are deporting the illegal alien mother and child is a citizen? Forget the possibility of a deported father. Say a single mother with no legal status is being deported.

Does she not get the option to take her child with her?

If she didn’t take the child the same people would be likely be screaming about ICE separating families.

Kids are not a get out of jail free card.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by southernplaces7 »

MegaButts wrote: post #543
southernplaces7 wrote: post #531

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>If you have any evidence of the above by non-Trump administrations, again as a matter of policy, I'm all ears. Everything else is just "feels". I assume you know how to use the internet, so please go do a few searches, on Google or the search system of your choice, for the sake of informing yourself better. They're there, and if you care about the subject enough to make claims, you should be aware of wider history.…

JFC if someone asks you multiple times for a source then provide a fucking source, instead of continuing to be an obnoxious holier-than-thou "do your own research you ignoramus" asshole. You are so completely incompetent when it comes to discourse that I have to assume you are purposefully spreading misinformation. Either provide evidence or do everyone else the favor of shutting the fuck up you intolerable asshat.

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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

koolba wrote: post #631
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They’re cheating "Of course, 'It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a U.S. citizen.' See Lyttle v. United States, 867 F.Supp.2d 1256 (M.D. Ga. 2012) (citing Tuan Anh Nguyen v. Immigration & Naturalization Serv., 533 U.S. 53, 67 (2001) (affirming that a citizen has the 'absolute right to enter [the United States] borders'); Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618…

If you read the complete sentence you’d realize I’m referring to cheating against every other potential immigrant to come to the USA. > To the extent someone is unequivocally cheating, it's ICE. So what exactly is ICE supposed to do if they are deporting the illegal alien mother and child is a citizen? Forget the possibility of a deported father. Say a single mother with no legal status is being deported. Does she no…

> you’d realize I’m referring to cheating against every other potential immigrant to come to the USA

I know. I'm pointing out that the mother's illegal immigration is outweighed by ICE's illegal detention, deportation and wilful abrogation of legal and constitutional rights of a U.S. citizen.

> what exactly is ICE supposed to do if they are deporting the illegal alien mother and child is a citizen?

Follow the law. In this case, that would involve transfering the child to her designated custodian [1].

> If she didn’t take the child the same people would be likely be screaming about ICE separating families

Not an excuse for breaking the law!

[1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69940863/1/v-m-l-v-harp...

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #595
darksaints wrote: post #467

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I sincerely hope people like you get sent to a Salvadoran torture gulag the next time you drive over the speed limit. Because we absolutely understand no circumstances can afford a breakdown in the rule of law.

I’m so tired of how when fascists operate in the open, the attempt to throw back their rhetoric to them is always perceived as “weak”, “beta”, and incompetent from the public at large. Feels like some SCP object of right wing reaction exists in this country. There’s never any kind of “extreme” movement designed to stamp this shit out in the USA. It ends up being kids wearing red who have never done pushups or other h…

> the attempt to throw back their rhetoric to them is always perceived as “weak”, “beta”

You're literally calling "the left...beta" in this thread [1]!

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Der_Einzige

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by AustinDev »

JackYoustra wrote: post #583
AustinDev wrote: post #344

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Let's do another time warp. It's 2000, Bill Clinton is about to wrap up his second term and has deported more people in that term than any president ever at nearly 7,000,000 deportations. Trump barely had 2,000,000 deportations in his first term. Trump's first term was the lowest level of deportations for any administration since Carter. Obama, Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton and Biden all deported more people every ter…

Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. > Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law. god, what en…

>Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations.

As I've mentioned in other comments non-judicial removals (no immigration hearing) are in fact very common accounting for nearly 75% of all removals. Deportation of American citizens has happened, and it is wrong. It's been happening every year in small numbers for the last 30 years. In the OP case in particular the children were deported with the parents at the parent's request according to a DHS statement. So this was not a mistake.

>I'm actually curious - are you aware of that law? Did you hear about it?

Of course, you're talking about The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act. The 'immigration amendment' wasn't really necessary and you could argue the better electronic communications outlined in the bill actually could increase immigration efficiency. It was a very popular lie that legislation was needed to stop millions of illegals from entering the country during the Biden administration. Border crossings have dropped ~95% since the new administration took over. Probably for two main reasons, no more parole while waiting for a hearing and NGO funding drying up.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by like_any_other »

eschaton wrote: post #542
mtVessel wrote: post #522

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Serious question: how did you envision "wide-scale deportations" playing out, prior to these events?

Exactly—plenty of people said exactly what would happen. Why did you not believe them? Will you believe them in the future?

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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

like_any_other wrote: post #627
mtVessel wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: how did you envision "wide-scale deportations" playing out, prior to these events?

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> could as well blame this as a necessary consequence of that prior neglect

The endgame for this policy is a Democrat President detaining abroad--solely on executive authority--January 6th types, and other violent criminals on the right. (Or worse, nonviolent agitators.) Habeas corpus predates the Magna Carta [1] for a reason.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus#Origins_in_Engla...

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by MegaButts »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #632
MegaButts wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JFC if someone asks you multiple times for a source then provide a fucking source, instead of continuing to be an obnoxious holier-than-thou "do your own research you ignoramus" asshole. You are so completely incompetent when it comes to discourse that I have to assume you are purposefully spreading misinformation. Either provide evidence or do everyone else the favor of shutting the fuck up you intolerable asshat.

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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nharada wrote: post #314

Feels like this conversation is full of people getting hung up on arguing the technicalities and exact phrasing of this situation. Is that really important to the broader conversation?

> Is that really important to the broader conversation?

Habeas corpus predates the Magna Carta [1]. A U.S. citizen's right to habeas has been wilfully abrogated by the state. If this stands, I'm absolutely for taking all the pardoned January 6th nutters and sticking them in Guantanamo or wherever come 2028 or 2032.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus#Origins_in_Engla...

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

#640

Post by JackYoustra »

AustinDev wrote: post #635
JackYoustra wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. > Remigration is an ugly business, but it has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law. god, what en…

>Saying "there is no such thing as a perfect process" when discussing the unconstitutional deportation of LITERAL American citizens on an overnight, including a child with cancer deprived of medication, isn't a reasonable position. It's an attempt to normalize extreme rights violations. As I've mentioned in other comments non-judicial removals (no immigration hearing) are in fact very common accounting for nearly 75%…

If you think it's wrong then it certainly does not 'has to happen if you want to live in a sovereign nation under the rule of law'

If you can't criticize the overall objective (large-scale depopulation of America because so-called undesirables don't meet arbitrary legal criteria) then at least criticize the approach - don't call it an ugly but necessary business.

Call it a completely unnecessary violation of civil rights and due process that it is! Don't make up garbage about sovereignty.

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