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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by yibg »

clusterfook wrote: post #2

> But for interesting HN discussion... anyone got any juice on why this is happening. Is there orders going down the chain of command from the president to do this sort of thing. Was this behaviour always there but less reported before? Are they more emboldened by the current environment?

Deportations have always happened of course. But details matter. What’s making this administration different are:

- sloppiness and seeming cruelty of the process, intentional or not

- disregard for judicial rulings

- pushing boundaries with regards to who (those with legal status) and how (sending people to foreign prisons)

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Post by whoknowsidont »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #544
Waterluvian wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

Answering for myself, I don't see a movement that is strictly for due process, law, and order. Each side is so encumbered with baggage that I don't want to support them. One is breaking law and processes in egregious ways. The other thinks that law should not apply to illegal immigrants and even legal deportations are a due process violation.

>The other thinks that law should not apply to illegal immigrants and even legal deportations are a due process violation.

Where? Who? You're just making this up.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

lostdog wrote: post #556
guywithahat wrote: post #509

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You are posting blatant misinformation. The MS-13 tattoos were painted into an existing picture.

The tattoos don't even matter. The judge said not to deport him and they did it anyway.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by [deleted] »

mariodiana wrote: post #554
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the conversation? Separating kids from parents or deporting them with parents because we don’t want them to be separate? There is no question about breaking the law by parents. Question is do you let children be with their mothers(who apparently asked to do so) or no. As someone who came legally to Canada and went through thorough screening of 4 years before coming I just don’t get how people are ok with “chea…

Exactly. Children belong with their parents. And if their parents don't belong here, then Q.E.D.

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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

righthand wrote: post #494

> No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The states are responsible for providing equal protection of the laws to everyone here. The states need to stand up a…

> states need to stand up and fight ICE

We honestly need a Democrat governor to grow a pair and begin arresting ICE agents unlawfully detaining and kidnapping people. Then let the FBI and Bondi escalate it into a full-blown states' rights issue.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

andsoitis wrote: post #84

While the 3 minors are US citizens, their parents are not and the parents can be deported because they are in the country illegally. That means you have the following options: a) deport nobody, i.e. you don't apply the law b) deport just the parents. What do you do with the minor children? Separating them from their parents (different countries) would be cruel. c) deport the entire family, including the US minors. Si…

> c) deport the entire family, including the US minors. Since they have US citizenship, they can always return to the US

I mean sure. But let's let the next Democrat who's in charge determine that kidnapping or maybe even voting wrong are crimes that merit summary deportation. After all, if they're good citizens, they can always return.

The history of suspending habeas corpus is strikingly one way. Maybe we'll be the first society to defy that trend. But the end game we're heading to is mass political violence.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

afpx wrote: post #47
surgical_fire wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting thing about this parallel, is that the "final solution" in Germany was final because it was not the original solution. Originally they wanted to, well, deport the undesirables to some far off country, initially to Madagascar if memory serves. Managing mass incarceration and deportation is a difficult task however, and these people (both then and now) are not exactly competent at anything beyond bravad…

Unfortunately, if this follows history, the safest thing to do is to not do anything, blend in, and wait for external help. Afaik, only a handful of Germans who resisted survived. But, I don’t see any help for us coming anytime soon.

The safest thing to do is GTFO before the masses rush to do it. The breakdown of separation of powers in the canary in the coal mine.

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Post by low_tech_love »

mc32 wrote: post #565
wat10000 wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s your point? Other countries also engage in lawlessness to remove people they don’t like?

Well, people are acting like it’s uniquely an American thing to do.

That’s because, for a while, the USA has been seen as the main exponent (although obviously not the only one) of western ideals such as freedom, democracy, human rights, etc. So yeah it’s logical that people would expect that the “leader of the free world” does not act like some other random country.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by Der_Einzige »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #605
righthand wrote: post #494

> No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The states are responsible for providing equal protection of the laws to everyone here. The states need to stand up a…

> states need to stand up and fight ICE We honestly need a Democrat governor to grow a pair and begin arresting ICE agents unlawfully detaining and kidnapping people. Then let the FBI and Bondi escalate it into a full-blown states' rights issue.

I’m so tired of how pussy democrats are. The moderate wing is so dominated by corporate money that they’ll never do it and just let American fascism happen.

The left in America is ran by geriatrics (Bernie) or unelectable young people (AOC). None of them have the guile to do what you’ve said (or rather to pressure and call for the governors to do that).

The left has a pussyfooting problem. The left is beta, and has surrendered the aesthetics of power to the right again and again throught history (and the only times that they keep it they end up becoming as bad or worse than what they are fighting)

Basically we are fked.

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