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ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by AustinDev »

0x5f3759df-i wrote: post #400
AustinDev wrote: post #344

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Let's do another time warp. It's 2000, Bill Clinton is about to wrap up his second term and has deported more people in that term than any president ever at nearly 7,000,000 deportations. Trump barely had 2,000,000 deportations in his first term. Trump's first term was the lowest level of deportations for any administration since Carter. Obama, Reagan, Both Bushes, Clinton and Biden all deported more people every ter…

“We’re incompetent and can’t achieve our goals by following the same laws and due process previous administrations used so we’re just going to perform as many random acts of evil and right violations to the people we can grab and hope that makes up the difference “

I know, right? The incompetence is mind blowing. At least they stopped letting people in, but they'll never reach their stated goals. To be fair though 'due process' via a hearing isn't that common in deportations in this country.

"The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.

A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process."[1]

3/4 of Obama era deportations were 'nonjudicial removals' meaning that there was no hearing in front of an immigration judge before removal. People just didn't care as much then I suppose.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

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Post by tomrod »

datameta wrote: post #284
koolba wrote: post #158

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Being eventually forced to decide whether to leave your child behind or take them with you out of the USA is a direct consequence of the choice to illegally enter the country. Are you suggesting we never deport parents under any circumstance? Having a citizen child is not some get-out-deportation-free card.

This is like claiming that getting conscripted into the Russian Federation Armed Forces is a direct consequence of entering illegally So is their life forfeit now, and the respective goverment absolved of responsibility?

Such a society that chooses that has no respect for the rights of an individual.

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Post by [deleted] »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #404
Waterluvian wrote: post #377

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I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

>but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. MLK said it best: "the moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice, who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice" And even now you have people that think showing up with clever signs around the downtown parks / public areas on the weeke…

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Post by pyuser583 »

nharada wrote: post #314

Feels like this conversation is full of people getting hung up on arguing the technicalities and exact phrasing of this situation. Is that really important to the broader conversation?

Americans don’t trust the press.

A lot of these technicalities are parsing “what did the press actually say” which is the first step in dealing with an untrustworthy source of truth.

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Post by sanderjd »

macinjosh wrote: post #58
OutOfHere wrote: post #27

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I think what happened here is that the parents were here illegally. The children just had to accompany the parents. I find it quite possible that the children will be allowed back in once they no longer have to depend on their parents.

You are correct. People watch too much TV and think this is out of the ordinary. If the children were kept here we'd be weeping about kids being separated from their parents.

Yes, because expelling citizens is illegal, and separating children from their families is tragic. Just being sarcastic and cynical about it doesn't change this.

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Post by rdtsc »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #381
rdtsc wrote: post #102

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> The children were deported. In real life. I am not sure what you're arguing for? Take the children away in real life and hand off to a random foster family. Sometimes they can stay with aunts or uncles. Sometimes there are no aunts or uncles. > There's no need for hypothetical scenarios, focus on the actual point of the article and thread. Ok, so what should we discuss about the article? To help the conversation mo…

US citizen father wasn't allowed to take custody of his US citizen child, who was subsequently removed from the country to a place where the child presumably is not a citizen.

What about the mother? Do we know if she wanted the child to come with her or stay?

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Post by shadowgovt »

andrepd wrote: post #362
ashoeafoot wrote: post #180

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Jesus christ hn

Hn, as a forum for discussion, is fundamentally not equipped to rationally discuss America going this far off the rails.

It is far better suited for less difficult topics, like yet another web framework being developed or some 2% improvements in database access efficiency. For discussing real problems that impact human beings existentially, face-to-face conversation is vastly superior.

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Post by tomrod »

sixothree wrote: post #391
eastbound wrote: post #324

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You’re taking the rest of the world hostage with the child. The crime was that she was allowed here in the first place, whether by the people who made her believe it was possible, or by her breaking the laws as the act of entry in the country.

It is hard to distinguish a lack of empathy from pure evil.

The Lumineers nailed it. The opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference.

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Post by thechao »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #404
Waterluvian wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

>but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. MLK said it best: "the moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice, who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice" And even now you have people that think showing up with clever signs around the downtown parks / public areas on the weeke…

I’ve been in the get-out-the-vote space for 25 years, now. I’ve been politically active against gerrymandering nearly as long. My wife was tooth-and-nails in the redistricting fight (in Texas; Texas!) for ~10 years.

Here’s my hands-on experience: at least half the people you meet are defective, to a scary extent, functionally in terms of empathy. Probably two thirds have serious executive functioning deficits. That means they can neither understand the plight of their fellows; and, even if they could, they could not generalize their own situation into a policy to help everyone in the same situation.

EDIT: most people don’t vote. A disproportionate number that do are both empathetic, and high have high levels of executive functioning skills. The flip side of the coin are activated people who are missing one-or-the-other skills, but are voting out of some other errant ideology. I want to be clear that the distribution of voters is “both sides”: there are disgusting and enlightened voters on both sides of the spectrum. We’re all trapped in the box, together.

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Post by lynndotpy »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #356
NewJazz wrote: post #328

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They wouldn't let these kids have toothpaste the last time they did this.

Subdermal tracking implants then? Although I wouldn't put it past these drooling sadists to start cutting things out of their prisoners.

I can't tell if this is a serious suggestion, or if it's proposed in the same tone as "a modest proposal".

In case you are serious: This is a pretty horrifying proposal. Humans can get microchipped, but these cost money, are very painful to administer, and importantly are RFID only, i.e. not useful for finding ones own children.

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